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11-20-2011, 09:57 PM
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Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
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I am now going to have to find out more, but I have heard people say things about Bro. Stoneking and others on Youtube, but when you heard the whole message, what was said was not what it had been made to appear. You can edit anything to create a bad impression. That is why one must be willing to do their own research and find out if what they have heard is true.
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As far as LS goes I have heard him in person, online video or audio, and without any editing he "creates a very bad impression" with me. I am amazed that in the 21st century preachers get by in Pentecost with their wild extra biblical imaginations. In his case I am referring to doppleganger angels, magic hair, and other assertions put forth.
Old time Pentecost has always had fringe elements with wacky takes on things but the last decade or so we are seeing these people elevated and embraced by the mainstream of Oneness Pentecost. In particular I am thinking about LS and the former Mrs. Reider.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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11-21-2011, 07:02 PM
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Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
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As far as LS goes I have heard him in person, online video or audio, and without any editing he "creates a very bad impression" with me. I am amazed that in the 21st century preachers get by in Pentecost with their wild extra biblical imaginations. In his case I am referring to doppleganger angels, magic hair, and other assertions put forth.
Old time Pentecost has always had fringe elements with wacky takes on things but the last decade or so we are seeing these people elevated and embraced by the mainstream of Oneness Pentecost. In particular I am thinking about LS and the former Mrs. Reider.
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I know that you disagree with him on those issues, but I have seen some interesting things that make me wonder if he is on to something. Besides, is it really that far out there considering that we speak in languages that we never learned, receive interpretations in our own language, have very pointed and accurate prophecies given by people who know nothing about us, receive information that we could not possibly know, etc. Suddenly it begins to look like we are all a bit out of the mainstream now does it not? 
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11-21-2011, 08:04 PM
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Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
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I know that you disagree with him on those issues, but I have seen some interesting things that make me wonder if he is on to something. Besides, is it really that far out there considering that we speak in languages that we never learned, receive interpretations in our own language, have very pointed and accurate prophecies given by people who know nothing about us, receive information that we could not possibly know, etc. Suddenly it begins to look like we are all a bit out of the mainstream now does it not? |
The examples you give are all supported by the Bible. Magic hair and doppleganger angels are not. Neither are wild stories from the minds of men and women like claiming one of the reasons jewelry is bad is that it was cast down with Lucifer from heaven. 
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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11-21-2011, 11:49 PM
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Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
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Neither are wild stories from the minds of men and women like claiming one of the reasons jewelry is bad is that it was cast down with Lucifer from heaven. |
Ha! I never heard that one before..new one to me. LOL
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12-06-2011, 09:10 AM
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Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
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I know that you disagree with him on those issues, but I have seen some interesting things that make me wonder if he is on to something. Besides, is it really that far out there considering that we speak in languages that we never learned, receive interpretations in our own language, have very pointed and accurate prophecies given by people who know nothing about us, receive information that we could not possibly know, etc. Suddenly it begins to look like we are all a bit out of the mainstream now does it not? |
The Antichrust and false prophet will decieve the world with "signs and wonders". Pharaohs magicians duplicated some of the plagues that God performed in Egypt. The witch of Endor was able to conjure Samuel's spirit. The devil can perform supernatural wonders, he does have some power. He cannot, however, bear the fruit of the Spirit. Jesus said we would know people and be able to judge them by their fruit, not by the miraculous. Christians should be very cautious with these matters. I'm afraid we have been too cavalier about supernatural manifestations. I believe in them, they've happened to me, I've witnessed things happen to others but I've also seen a lot that seemed questionable. And I've also seen a lot of people that gravitate to these types of things and many of them don't bear the kind of fruit that one should, being they are so close to God and used by Him, supposedly.
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12-06-2011, 10:20 AM
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Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
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The Antichrust and false prophet will decieve the world with "signs and wonders". Pharaohs magicians duplicated some of the plagues that God performed in Egypt. The witch of Endor was able to conjure Samuel's spirit. The devil can perform supernatural wonders, he does have some power. He cannot, however, bear the fruit of the Spirit. Jesus said we would know people and be able to judge them by their fruit, not by the miraculous. Christians should be very cautious with these matters. I'm afraid we have been too cavalier about supernatural manifestations. I believe in them, they've happened to me, I've witnessed things happen to others but I've also seen a lot that seemed questionable. And I've also seen a lot of people that gravitate to these types of things and many of them don't bear the kind of fruit that one should, being they are so close to God and used by Him, supposedly.
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11-20-2011, 10:18 PM
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Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
Whether you find the things and the way he says them weird or not, it is much more disturbing that he is counseling people to break ties with their families, leave their husbands, etc. These are not dysfunctional families until he becomes involved.
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11-20-2011, 10:21 PM
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Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
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Whether you find the things and the way he says them weird or not, it is much more disturbing that he is counseling people to break ties with their families, leave their husbands, etc. These are not dysfunctional families until he becomes involved.
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I am always amazed that anybody would let anybody, including a preacher, come between them and family.
No matter how much we disagree with family concerning religion, politics, life decisions, etc that family bond should not be broken and love should prevail.
Sounds to me like weak minded people looking for someone to control them.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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11-21-2011, 06:03 AM
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Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
sad...I only heard him preach once and in that sermon he said nothing like these things here...wonder if he always has said these weird things?
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11-21-2011, 06:39 AM
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Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
Sis. Alvear...one thing we all should know by now from being a part of this forum is that unless you hear it yourself, don't take it as gospel. I don't know this Jeffers guy, but I know that it doesn't take much to get an account here and say whateever you wish to say about whatever preacher you wish to say it about.
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