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Old 03-25-2010, 08:52 PM
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Update Concerning IHOP

I dont know when this started but tonight Wes Hall one of the leaders said you must be baptized in water in order to be born again. This is tremendous! Not sure where this is leading to or where it will end. They seem to be teaching one is "saved" by faith but not born again till experiencing the birth of water and spirit.

Very interesting.

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Old 03-25-2010, 08:57 PM
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Re: Update Concerning IHOP

when? where?
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:59 PM
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Re: Update Concerning IHOP

Try here

http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Articl...?ID=1000058181
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Love to see them update their site, Mike with this new Oneness view of the Godhead and baptism:

We believe that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. No ordinance, ritual, work or any other activity on the part of man is required or accepted in order to be saved. This saving grace of God, through the power of the Holy Spirit, also sanctifies us by enabling us to do what is pleasing in God's sight in order that we might be progressively conformed to the image of Christ. (Jn. 1:12–13, 6:37–44, 10:25–30; Acts 16:30–31; Rom. 3:1–4:23, 8:1–17, 31–39, 10:8–10; Eph. 2:8–10; Phil. 2:12–13; Titus 3:3–7; 1 Jn. 1:7, 9)..We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ baptizes believers in the Holy Spirit, in whom we are also sealed for the day of redemption. The Holy Spirit regenerates, forever indwells, and graciously equips the Christian for godly living and service. Subsequent to conversion, the Spirit desires to fill, empower, and anoint believers for ministry and witness. We also believe that signs and wonders, as well as all the gifts of the Spirit described in the New Testament, are operative today and are designed to testify to the presence of the kingdom and to empower and edify the Church to fulfill its calling and mission. (Mt. 3:11; Jn. 1:12–13, 3:1–15; Acts 4:29–30; Rom. 8:9, 12:3–8; 1 Cor. 12:12–13; 2 Cor. 1:21–22; Gal. 3:1–5; Eph. 1:13–14, 5:18)..We believe that the one true God exists eternally in three persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—and that these, being one God, are equal in deity, power, and glory. We believe that God not only created the world but also now upholds, sustains, governs, and providentially directs all that exists and that He will bring all things to their proper consummation in Christ Jesus to the glory of His name.
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Re: Update Concerning IHOP

Did I say they changed their Godhead view? No. But watch whats happening there. I would not be surprised and of course I am praying that they will change. They are speaking some things that show a growth in grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
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Re: Update Concerning IHOP

This isn't anything new. I've been keeping up with IHOP for the last few months and have heard them preach Acts 2:38 a few times. From what I understand, they believe that baptism in both water and the Holy Spirit is available and something that every believer should seek, but not necessary for salvation. I side with them there, for the most part.
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This isn't anything new. I've been keeping up with IHOP for the last few months and have heard them preach Acts 2:38 a few times. From what I understand, they believe that baptism in both water and the Holy Spirit is available and something that every believer should seek, but not necessary for salvation. I side with them there, for the most part.
Tonight Wes said unless one is baptized they are not born again. That is new to me after watching for some time now.
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I like the website layout...to many images though.
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I like the website layout...to many images though.
Are you able to see the live meeting through the link? Wonderful praise and worship going on.
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