Why am I labeled backslid and unusable by God

[Brad Murphy]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

Hi Brad. Good to see you.

Thanks, I just woke up and here I was sitting at the keyboard posting on AFF...

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Brad Murphy

So in biblical times, both men and women wore robes, yet they were cut differently... nowadays both men and women wear trousers (I try not to use the word pants because it causes my friends from the UK to laugh hysterically), yet they are cut differently. If there is a modesty issue for women wearing trousers, then there is a modesty issue for men wearing trousers, since men quite frankly have more stuff between their legs to hide.

Being of Celtic descent, I've often thought of wearing a kilt, I don't have one, and probably never will, but I doubt my ancestors 300 years ago would have thought they were feminine garments. Why is it okay for the MAN's garments to change over time, but not the woman's?

BTW, LOVE your quote, that is awesome!

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by Brad Murphy

So in biblical times, both men and women wore robes, yet they were cut differently... nowadays both men and women wear trousers (I try not to use the word pants because it causes my friends from the UK to laugh hysterically), yet they are cut differently. If there is a modesty issue for women wearing trousers, then there is a modesty issue for men wearing trousers, since men quite frankly have more stuff between their legs to hide.

Being of Celtic descent, I've often thought of wearing a kilt, I don't have one, and probably never will, but I doubt my ancestors 300 years ago would have thought they were feminine garments. Why is it okay for the MAN's garments to change over time, but not the woman's?

Boy, I leave for a couple of months or more, and I miss all these great posts from people I have never heard from before! Brad, you and me are going to get along just great!

None of the people here that believe that pants are men's clothing have EVER been able to tell us when it was no longer "of the world" to wear pants instead of the kind of robes Jesus wore. You KNOW if the UPC had been around, they would have NEVER gone for men wearing pants!!

I guess it is a good thing that men started wearing pants before the UPC began, that way it wasn't worldly.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

If the world says its cool for men to wear skirts, do we just change our stand with the times and say its okay?

The world may change, but God's word doesn't.

And the Bible says that it's a sin for a man to wear a skirt, right?

Oh, it doesn't? Because men in the Bible, including Jesus, wore them? Right.

Clothing is a cultural issue. For over 5,000 years of recorded human history, men AND women wore robes. In our current culture, men AND women wear pants..... or bifurcated garments, if you prefer.

It'd be a little difficult for the verse in Deut. to be referring to pants, since men wore robes back then. Just like the women did.

CULTURE changed, and men started wearing pants. Why? Shouldn't they have continued wearing robes, and not followed the edicts of the world? Shouldn't they have insisted on being separate, and remaining in Biblical attire? Jesus would probably have been considered immodest if he'd walked around looking like you look right now.

[noeticknight]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

When we say the world we are speaking of sin! Seperation form sin! Woman not wearing pants has nothing to do with the 1940's!

We have no choice but to live in this world, use phones, computers, etc! But we do NOT have to take part in the sin of this world in how we act, what we do, how we look, or what we take part in.

Daniel had no choice but to live in bablyon, the king tried to feed them with food that was against the word of God. Daniel knew he had to eat, but he refused to eat the kings meat that God warned against!

Separation from the world is not about cars, houses, or gadgets! It's about SIN! If something soley promotes that which is unclean, no christian should have it or do it! Whether it be TV, immodest apparel, wearing clothing for the opposite sex, etc!

You threw in the part about women clothing, and the word still says not to wear apparel of the opposite sex!

So the world says its okay because we have "womens" pants now? Since when did the world standards define what we do?
If the world says its cool for men to wear skirts, do we just change our stand with the times and say its okay?

The world may change, but God's word doesn't.

Conviction walks out when SELF justification walks in.

The Bible (pick your translation) is an incredibly complex and beautifully composed package of truths, narratives, and poetry. Many do it a great injustice and imo, a real disgrace by attempting to dumb down its meanings to fit their religious dogmas; thus, they miss out on what makes certain scriptural meanings special for their particular time and place.

Mr. Cox, after reading this post, I'm sorry to say that you still haven't reached the light flyweight class of theology yet. A bit of history might help you get there.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by noeticknight

The Bible (pick your translation) is an incredibly complex and beautifully composed package of truths, narratives, and poetry. Many do it a great injustice and imo, a real disgrace by attempting to dumb down its meanings to fit their religious dogmas; thus, they miss out on what makes certain scriptural meanings special for their particular time and place.

Mr. Cox, after reading this post, I'm sorry to say that you still haven't reached the light flyweight class of theology yet. A bit of history might help you get there.

AFF SMACKDOWN

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

When we say the world we are speaking of sin! Seperation form sin! Woman not wearing pants has nothing to do with the 1940's!

We have no choice but to live in this world, use phones, computers, etc! But we do NOT have to take part in the sin of this world in how we act, what we do, how we look, or what we take part in.

Daniel had no choice but to live in bablyon, the king tried to feed them with food that was against the word of God. Daniel knew he had to eat, but he refused to eat the kings meat that God warned against!

Separation from the world is not about cars, houses, or gadgets! It's about SIN! If something soley promotes that which is unclean, no christian should have it or do it! Whether it be TV, immodest apparel, wearing clothing for the opposite sex, etc!

You threw in the part about women clothing, and the word still says not to wear apparel of the opposite sex!

So the world says its okay because we have "womens" pants now? Since when did the world standards define what we do?
If the world says its cool for men to wear skirts, do we just change our stand with the times and say its okay?

The world may change, but God's word doesn't.

Conviction walks out when SELF justification walks in.

It's the world's standards that made pants for men.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It's the world's standards that made pants for men.

I don't know why no one will ever address that fact. Why it was okay for men to change with the times, but not women.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I don't know why no one will ever address that fact. Why it was okay for men to change with the times, but not women.

It seems to have been something locked within the psyche of Fundamentalism in general. With all of the Baptist preaching about "holding the line" against the many societal changes that took place during the early part of the 20th Century - AND given the fact that OP's approach their theology and preaching in a manner that mirrors the Baptists - it just seems like the idea of freezing ourselves in time with a "Victorian fashion look" was probably the easiest way to go.

The advent of trousers on men was really an innovation of the barbarian invasions of the old Roman Empire. The barbarians had always sported the bifurcated garment while the Roman men all wore those cute skirts that made the gladiator movies so popular among a certain subset of Hollywood.

[UltraCon]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I don't know why no one will ever address that fact. Why it was okay for men to change with the times, but not women.

Spoken like one who is unlearned.