Worship Casualties: Who speaks for the injured?

[Isaiah]

[QUOTE=Mirth1981;921071]I've never seen anyone get seriously hurt during the frenzied worship stuff before, although have seen people get bumped into quite a few times. I imagine the church's insurance would be held responsible since it would be considered an injury on church grounds?

It seems ridiculous that our "worship" would be so out of control that it causes physical harm to people. I don't see how that glorifies God at all. People need to be careful.

I agree physical harm should not occur for the Word of God does plainly state that, "And the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets" (1Corinthians 14:32). But also understand that I love to worship and praise God in Spirit and dance and do quiet often, as it overwhelms me However I am also aware of those around me as to not hurt them

[Hoovie]

As a side note, my kids LOVE Baptist Bible School! Nnext week they have two unchurched signed up to go with them.

[On The Wheel]

I saw one teenage girl "shouting/dancing" and her high heel got stuck in the hem of the girl next to her. The hem and the heel held. The waistband of the girl's dress did not.

They were on the front row, so the whole church (about 500) got a show they did not pay to see, as the unfortunate victim had to gather her skirt from the floor if front of the crowd.

God was in it, I just know it.

[Jack Shephard]

Once upon a time I was a minister in a church. We had a special prayer time for people to come to the front and get prayed for. I prayed for several people and none fell out. I did pray for one lady and I had barely even touched her head and she fell like a ton of bricks to the ground. I am not certain if she had expected someone to catch her or not. When she hit the ground she wasn't speaking in tongues as far as I can tell. I think she knocked herself out, but with in a few minutes she was up and in her seat again and ready for the rest of church.

[Sherri]

Well, I have to disagree somewhat with NOW. I have been "slain" under the power of the Spirit of God a few times. No one pushed me and I was totally unable to get up for a while. It hasn't happened often, but it has happened. I think sometimes God's power just is so overwhelming that your physical body just can't stand it. I don't see it as any different than in the Bible when someone fell to the ground when the presence of God was there.

I have also seen men and women deep in the bush in Africa fall to the ground when we prayed for them and the power of God hit them. It was not a learned response for them; it was definitely the power of God. I've seen God do amazing miracles in people's lives while they were on the carpet. I've also seen them fall to the ground and immediately begin to speak in tongues.

Is there Bible precedent for it? Not sure, but I know it happens. God can move any way He wants to in my life - I just want to be available and have discernment to know when it's really Him.

All that said, I will NOT do a CD (Courtesy Drop)!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Well, I have to disagree somewhat with NOW. I have been "slain" under the power of the Spirit of God a few times. No one pushed me and I was totally unable to get up for a while. It hasn't happened often, but it has happened. I think sometimes God's power just is so overwhelming that your physical body just can't stand it. I don't see it as any different than in the Bible when someone fell to the ground when the presence of God was there.

I have also seen men and women deep in the bush in Africa fall to the ground when we prayed for them and the power of God hit them. It was not a learned response for them; it was definitely the power of God. I've seen God do amazing miracles in people's lives while they were on the carpet. I've also seen them fall to the ground and immediately begin to speak in tongues.

Is there Bible precedent for it? Not sure, but I know it happens. God can move any way He wants to in my life - I just want to be available and have discernment to know when it's really Him.

All that said, I will NOT do a CD (Courtesy Drop)!

I understand your disagreement. But I would respectfully suggest that I could get statements from dozens who will say they howled like a dog, laughed like a hyena, or pooped in their diapers and there was just no way they could help it. In fact, I've heard the testimonials in the Rodney Howard Brown-type stuff.

I've had some very strong divine encounters. But I was never out of control. God doesn't want us to be out of control. It's the same reason He doesn't want us to get drunk on alcohol. And "Self-Control" is one of the Fruit of the Spirit. If a Fruit of the Spirit is "Self-Control", how could I be totally "Out-of-control" and claim I'm under the influence of the Holy Spirit? I'm unable to connect those dots.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I understand your disagreement. But I would respectfully suggest that I could get statements from dozens who will say they howled like a dog, laughed like a hyena, or pooped in their diapers and there was just no way they could help it. In fact, I've heard the testimonials in the Rodney Howard Brown-type stuff.

I've had some very strong divine encounters. But I was never out of control. God doesn't want us to be out of control. It's the same reason He doesn't want us to get drunk on alcohol. And "Self-Control" is one of the Fruit of the Spirit. If a Fruit of the Spirit is "Self-Control", how could I be totally "Out-of-control" and claim I'm under the influence of the Holy Spirit? I'm unable to connect those dots.

It is because of this that what you say carries very little weight in this discussion. You have really not had the experience on any deep level like many others have.

For myself, I am not sure either. Early on in my Pentecostal years I had participated in a little shockamoo, runnings and an OTB or two, but I am still not sure that I was ever "Out of control".

I actually do recall telling someone else that I had experienced something so supernatural that I sort left my physical body. Now, I think I simply wanted to believe that very badly.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

It is because of this that what you say carries very little weight in this discussion. You have really not had the experience on any deep level like many others have.

For myself, I am not sure either. Early on in my Pentecostal years I had participated in a little shockamoo, runnings and an OTB or two, but I am still not sure that I was ever "Out of control".

I actually do recall telling someone else that I had experienced something so supernatural that I sort left my physical body. Now, I think I simply wanted to believe that very badly.

Bolded: Really??? I would think exactly the opposite. Are you saying that because some HAS pooped uncontrollably under the power of the Holy Ghost, that it would lend them credibility into the discussion? If someone NOT experiencing something takes away their "street cred", then it would seem that someone that HAS experienced something makes them credible.

Just because I haven't experienced something that doesn't exist in the first place doesn't remove my foundation to comment about it. It's like saying, "Well, because you've never seen a UFO, you can't lend any help into the discussion of UFO's".

But again, the scriptural principles are the ONLY thing that matters here. Personal stories are just that...stories. Stories are a dime a dozen and we could gather some stuff that would make you immediately say, "No way", and we already have, at least, a couple of those things...pooping, barking like a dog, and laughing like a hyena. Do you think that your lack of experience in those areas takes away your ability to comment about their validity? I'm sure you would say, "No."

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Once upon a time I was a minister in a church. We had a special prayer time for people to come to the front and get prayed for. I prayed for several people and none fell out. I did pray for one lady and I had barely even touched her head and she fell like a ton of bricks to the ground. I am not certain if she had expected someone to catch her or not. When she hit the ground she wasn't speaking in tongues as far as I can tell. I think she knocked herself out, but with in a few minutes she was up and in her seat again and ready for the rest of church.

You might should practice it, Bono. You could make serious bank knocking people over like that! People are willing to pay big bucks for that stuff!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Once upon a time I was a minister in a church. We had a special prayer time for people to come to the front and get prayed for. I prayed for several people and none fell out. I did pray for one lady and I had barely even touched her head and she fell like a ton of bricks to the ground. I am not certain if she had expected someone to catch her or not. When she hit the ground she wasn't speaking in tongues as far as I can tell. I think she knocked herself out, but with in a few minutes she was up and in her seat again and ready for the rest of church.

Someone on this forum or some other forum told about a woman who came for prayer. As soon as hands were placed on her she hit the floor. She got partially up and said something like, "Oh, I forgot to tell you that I go down easy." And then she fell back to the floor. (in the Spirit, I assume)