Acts 2: Then and Now

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by shag

when ya get done with your popcorn, get in here and get yer hands dirty!

It all boils down to spiritual immaturity, even on the Pastors part..

1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

People really should pray in tongues at home in private for the sake of the unlearned and for the sake of the unbeliever.

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

The problem is many go to church to edify themselves instead of seeking to edify others. Part of the blame is on the ministry for allowing everyone to be so co-dependent on them, the other part of the blame is on the members themselves for staying in the infant stage..

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

People should exhibit authority and control over themselves and their spirits because God is not the author of confusion..

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Or if people wanna be carnal while "Acting Spiritual" then let them be such.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

It's time to grow up and think of others that are without...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Maybe some people but not ALL. I agree with LadyRev. When I hear tongues called heavenly languages, I think it is because the utterance is given by God and not because it is a language God and the angels speak in heaven. Frog, you can't speak for All people, you can only speak to what you know unless you are an authority on the subject and have spoken to everyone who refers to tongues as a heavenly language and they have All specifically told you that the heavenly language is "heavenly" not because it comes from God but because it is a language spoken in heaven and not a known language spoken on earth by men. LadyRev explained to you why she thinks tongues is referred to as heavenly languages and you are saying she is wrong. Her opinion can't be wrong since it is her opinion. Some folks might agree with what you say and teach what you say, but imho, they are SOME and not ALL. Some folks call tongues a heavenly language for the exact reason that LadyRev gave. I don't see how you can say she is wrong unless you have heard EVERYONE who has ever called tongues a heavenly language give the same reason you gave.

My use of the word "always" probably made what I said not literally true. I'll give you that. But let me explain myself because I believe the spirit behind my words was true.

LadyRev originally said this:

Originally Posted by LadyRev

As for the topic of this thread...
Among Christians, anything that is HUMANLY impossible can very easily be referred to as HEAVENLY. So when people talk about a "heavenly language", it means that it is something that comes from heaven, in other words, something from God. This is an accurate description of "speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance."

The bible says every good and perfect GIFT comes from above. What does "above" mean? Something from heaven, something from God.

As for no reference in Acts using the words "heavenly language"...
Just because its not recorded in Acts in black and white doesn't make it wrong. You want to split hairs over terminology? If so, there are alot of examples of terms we use that are no where to be found in scripture.

The topic of the thread was this:

Originally Posted by JoeHardy07

2. We do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Everytime someone recieves the "Holy Ghost" nowadays, they speak in a "heavenly language," just like in Acts 2, right?

Wrong.

In Acts chapter 2 the tongues were not a "heavenly" language. They were earthly languages. We can argue all day about this, but the Word is very clear. What those onlookers heard were the tongues of earth. The substance of those words was heavenly (praise to God) but the words themselves were undeniably earthly.

So, who invented the idea that the intial evidence of recieving the Holy Ghost is speaking in a "heavenly" language?



That's all I can think of right now. Maybe more later.


God Bless!

After reading the original thread and then LadyRev's statement, especially the part where she accused the author of wanting to split hairs over terminology, it became apparent to me that she didn't seem to know how the author was using the term heavenly languages because he clearly wasn't splitting hairs over referring to tongues as heavenly languages. So, I tried to explain to her how the author meant the term and how I believed most everyone else she runs into will mean it. Of course, using the word "always" probably made what I said not literally true, but it still helped emphasize the importance of being aware that there was a different definition of heavenly language than hers that she would fairly often run into.

EDIT: I have actually never heard the term "heavenly language" used in any other way than as I defined it.