UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit! - Page 23

James Griffin · #1 07-13-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Sorry, it was a very broad brush. When I say Apostolic, I think "ultra con." It's interchangeable in my head, and I haven't broken that connection yet.

LOL compared to a lot around here lately I am an ultra-con.

But with a revelation of grace nonetheless. :-)

Baron1710 · #2 07-13-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

This thread is beginning to feel as if it needs to be merged with the Chauvinism thread. Apostolic women who stick with unbelieving men are praised for their tenacity and their faithful prayers for their non-Christian spouse. I've heard the stories all my life about determined little women who go to church and get beat for it and finally one day the man converts and everyone lives happily ever after.

Apparently Apostolic men are free to (or maybe encouraged to?) divorce their wives if they backslide or become something less than a "real Pentecostal."

Double standard, anyone?

I can't imagine my Dad threatening to leave my Mom for not going to church or wearing a bathing suit. Sorry. As ultra con as he was, he loved her more than anything, and she couldn't do wrong in his eyes. He probably would have chalked it up to a *hot flash*, stomped around the house yelling about it or maybe as a last resort, tried to rebuke the devil out of her, but divorce her? Perish the thought.

I think the problem we're having on this thread is that we don't know that she was ALONE with the friend's husband. There are two different ways to take the statement, but either way you take it, without further evidence, she's guilty of impropriety at worst.

There has always been a double standard.

It isn't the man's fault she was dressed like Jezebel.

I can't tell you the number of times I have heard the ladies of the church warned about what they wear and how it could cause a man to fall.

How about young men guard your minds, stop leering at the ladies.

DAII · #3 07-13-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

This thread is beginning to feel as if it needs to be merged with the Chauvinism thread. Apostolic women who stick with unbelieving men are praised for their tenacity and their faithful prayers for their non-Christian spouse. I've heard the stories all my life about determined little women who go to church and get beat for it and finally one day the man converts and everyone lives happily ever after.

Apparently Apostolic men are free to (or maybe encouraged to?) divorce their wives if they backslide or become something less than a "real Pentecostal."

Double standard, anyone?

I can't imagine my Dad threatening to leave my Mom for not going to church or wearing a bathing suit. Sorry. As ultra con as he was, he loved her more than anything, and she couldn't do wrong in his eyes. He probably would have chalked it up to a *hot flash*, stomped around the house yelling about it or maybe as a last resort, tried to rebuke the devil out of her, but divorce her? Perish the thought.

I think the problem we're having on this thread is that we don't know that she was ALONE with the friend's husband. There are two different ways to take the statement, but either way you take it, without further evidence, she's guilty of impropriety at worst.

I wonder if the definition of fornication was modified to include "exhibitionism" in order to make the accusation stand. I wonder if Pastor Fogarty had ever included that in the definition before?

Great post. It is as if the male , for the most part, is to pounce on any thread or bikini so as to exchange it for a get out jail free card.

I surely hope this was not one of the reasons for the divorce if initiated by Mr. Driver.

If so and if the ultra-con maxim is true that one's pastor is accountable for one's soul and this not being fornication even among those who see adultery as the only reason for divorce and remarriage than ... There are souls in eternal peril at the approval of their pastor

pelathais · #4 07-13-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Great post. It is as if the male , for the most part, is to pounce on any thread or bikini so as to exchange it for a get out jail free card.

I surely hope this was not one of the reasons for the divorce if initiated by Mr. Fogarty.

If so and if the ultra-con maxim is true that one's pastor is accountable for one's soul and this not being fornication even among those who see adultery as the only reason for divorce and remarriage than ... There are souls in eternal peril at the approval of their pastor

I would tend to discount the claims you've speculated on as "ultra-con" here. I know that's preached and believed, but I think it is intended as a mask for some financial gain and other ulterior motives.

But, we are seeing something of a shift in the landscape. 20 and 30 years ago, if a spouse wanted out of an Apostolic marriage for any reason they were considered irreparably hell bound; especially if it was a woman who wanted out.

Today, people have become more educated and more aware of both their theology and their legal rights. Many of the chains of the past are breaking. We do need to exercise some wisdom here too, I suppose. Let's not uproot the foundations. Just a thought.

Is it ever proper to use thyme on green beans without rosemary? Bikini or no, I may need Griff if I've messed up my night doing dinner.

canam · #5 07-13-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Great post. It is as if the male , for the most part, is to pounce on any thread or bikini so as to exchange it for a get out jail free card.

I surely hope this was not one of the reasons for the divorce if initiated by Mr. Driver.

If so and if the ultra-con maxim is true that one's pastor is accountable for one's soul and this not being fornication even among those who see adultery as the only reason for divorce and remarriage than ... There are souls in eternal peril at the approval of their pastor

I think someone said she initiated it .

mizpeh · #6 07-13-2010, 04:40 PM

We can't judge this woman's motives for wearing a bikini. We can surely judge that a bikini is immodest clothing to wear in public but no one can know why she wore it when she did.

Calling it fornication is a joke....a bad joke and a poor excuse used by her ex to remarry.

*AQuietPlace* · #7 07-13-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

We can't judge this woman's motives for wearing a bikini. We can surely judge that a bikini is immodest clothing to wear in public but no one can know why she wore it when she did.

Calling it fornication is a joke....a bad joke and a poor excuse used by her ex to remarry.

Hoovie · #8 07-13-2010, 07:16 PM

So swimsuits are now "fornication"? Thats just weird, I don't care who you are.

DAII · #9 07-13-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

So swimsuits are now "fornication"? Thats just weird, I don't care who you are.

If uncut hair can give you power and authority to summon angels
and modest clothing gives you power before the throne ....

then most definitely swimsuits are fornication ...
and divorces justifiable for mixed bathing.

welcome to the 21st century world of radical, jihadist Apostolica.

Hoovie · #10 07-13-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

If uncut hair can give you power and authority to summon angels
and modest clothing gives you power before the throne ....

then most definitely swimsuits are fornication ...
and divorces justifiable for mixed bathing.

welcome to the 21st century world of radical, jihadist Apostolica.

Negative Dan Drudge. Only a small minority accept this junk.

IMO the greatest nod this stuff gets is silence by the majority. No one wants to be the one to speak up and make the waves...