UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Charnock

I did no such thing.

I said it would be if she wore a bikini whilst with a man who was not her husband.

To me, that is cheating. She's showing her wares to the wrong feller.

When seeking legal grounds for divorce in most states, "bikini" wearing, however immodest you and I may feel it to be, is not considered suitable grounds. Neither the NT nor the OT having anything in the original that can be translated as "bikini" so we'll have to extrapolate from there.

Matthew 5:32, clearly states that only "adultery" is suitable ground for a man to "put away his wife." I would not want to approach the throne whilst attempting to make "bikini wearing" my argument for otherwise.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Is that biblical grounds for divorce?

Again, if he loved her, the bikini incident could have been worked through. It's just that I can't imagine something else wasn't going on before she got to that place.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Again, if he loved her, the bikini incident could have been worked through. It's just that I can't imagine something else wasn't going on before she got to that place.

Or maybe justifying his own indiscretions ... since we are speculating.

[nicolesmith]

Well to put my two cents worth in...fornication means: consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other...adultery means:voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband...The bible states that in Matt 5:27-32: 27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Ok I like to study and before someone calls anyone something they should look up the definition of that word and I believe just wearing a bikni is not her fornicating the man may have but how does the pastor know she did only the Lord would know her thoughts unless the Lord reveiled it to him...But on the other hand I am not saying what she did was right because if you are living by a standard that is called holiness she should be dressing modestly and not letting it all hang out.

So, I dont think the preacher should have said that from the pulpit he should have pulled her off to the side and advised her that it was not right...but then again I'm not a pastor and he will be the one to answer for what he said not me.

Yet again only my two cent worth...

[missourimary]

So what we have here is a lot of conjecture, a divorce, a divorcee who wanted to marry the pastor's daughter and is now in ministry according to the church website. We have a pastor who stood and announced that the ex-wife had done something shameful but didn't say exactly what, and inferred that it was much worse than it actually was. Which is deceitful and actually breaks one of the Ten Commandments. And we have a woman who asked for the deceitful statement to be retracted on two occassions and was ignored the first time and denied the second.

Wearing a bikini didn't cross the Bible like the announcement from the pulpit did... She wore a bikini, but the pastor bore false witness against his neighbor.

Does anyone think wearing a bikini is worse than breaking one of the Ten Commandments?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by missourimary

So what we have here is a lot of conjecture, a divorce, a divorcee who wanted to marry the pastor's daughter and is now in ministry according to the church website. We have a pastor who stood and announced that the ex-wife had done something shameful but didn't say exactly what, and inferred that it was much worse than it actually was. Which is deceitful and actually breaks one of the Ten Commandments. And we have a woman who asked for the deceitful statement to be retracted on two occassions and was ignored the first time and denied the second.

Wearing a bikini didn't cross the Bible like the announcement from the pulpit did... She wore a bikini, but the pastor bore false witness against his neighbor.

Does anyone think wearing a bikini is worse than breaking one of the Ten Commandments?

This part of the civil suit complaint and a letter sent by Fogarty's lawyer seems to deny the comments were even made ... this despite the audio tape :

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by DAII

This part of the civil suit complaint and a letter sent by Fogarty's lawyer seems to deny the comments were even made ... this despite the audio tape :

maybe he was just denying that they were defamatory?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DAII

This part of the civil suit complaint and a letter sent by Fogarty's lawyer seems to deny the comments were even made ... this despite the audio tape :

Maybe he thought they were taken out of context?

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by DAII

This part of the civil suit complaint and a letter sent by Fogarty's lawyer seems to deny the comments were even made ... this despite the audio tape :

Dan, his statements bearing false witness were recorded by the church tape ministry and handed over to the plaintiff's attorney, documented and submitted as part of the case.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Dan, his statements bearing false witness were recorded by the church tape ministry and handed over to the plaintiff's attorney, documented and submitted as part of the case.

Bearing false witness and divorce is always trumped by mixed bathing.