UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by canam

Come on DA, your way out on a limb now bro .This aint like you .

Yeah, really!!! ???? "It ain't like DA2 to be "way out on a limb?"

Get up to speed canam. LOL.

[canam]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Yeah, really!!! ???? "It ain't like DA2 to be "way out on a limb?"

Get up to speed canam. LOL.

HA Ha i didnt mean it totally that way, i was refering to post 4 and where he said" to many in this culture not being submissive equals being a jezebel witch" i thought just that part was a little overboard.
my bad. i didnt quote the right part >

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by canam

HA Ha i didnt mean it totally that way, i was refering to post 4 and where he said" to many in this culture not being submissive equals being a jezebel witch" i thought just that part was a little overboard.
my bad. i didnt quote the right part >

the funny thing is... what he said is totally true!

I've heard it preached that rebellion is as witchcraft. Not being submissive is usually taken to be rebellion. Theres the witch part.

I've heard any woman that wears makeup/jewelry/bikinis (or just doesn't plain dress "right") called a jezebel. Theres the jezebel part.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by DAII

Moreover, Fogarty’s issues with Angela Driver were that she was not submissive and she wore clothing that he believed was immodest, including skirts above the knee, Kennedy said

Read more: http://www.macon.com/2010/07/07/1187...#ixzz0tZcjfJZz


To many in this culture not submissive = being a fornicating Jezebel witch.

okay this is just scary, I know this man and went to high school with his wife. She and I were good friends before she married him and moved away. WOW. He really has gone a stop ABOVE and BEYOND the call of duty.

I have seen to many ministers "justify" things that they are afraid the congregation is not going to approve of. Hate to say it but this does sound like the case to me.

I can not believe how quickly CHRISTIANS fall in and out of LOVE these days.

[DAII]

Kennedy said Angela Driver was accused in front of the congregation in effect of nine acts that ranged from bestiality to prostitution to child molestation because the pastor never named which one she actually was accused of doing.

The lows some religious folk will stoop to behind their bibles and ecclesiastical robes.

Read more: http://www.macon.com/2010/07/07/1187...#ixzz0tZdsr7tx

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by DAII

Kennedy said Angela Driver was accused in front of the congregation in effect of nine acts that ranged from bestiality to prostitution to child molestation because the pastor never named which one she actually was accused of doing.

The lows some religious folk will stoop to behind their bibles and ecclesiastical robes.

Read more: http://www.macon.com/2010/07/07/1187...#ixzz0tZdsr7tx

Since Im late, I don't know if anyone else commented. It seems the Lawyer is not saying the Pastor literally accused her of each, but by NOT being specific as to the details of what she was accused of essentially accused her, in the minds of the congregation, of each of those acts

[Ferd]

OOPS

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

$500,000 Awarded in Slander Lawsuit

This quote from the article is interesting:



Are the days of pastors calling out individual members of the congregation for sin over? I hope so! It's one thing to preach against sin, but it's another when you name names and can possibly ruin the reputation of someone by your public gossip in front of peers.

There are specific step by step instructions for dealing with people in sin. Pastors should read them from time to time. Even heed them from time to time.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

There are specific step by step instructions for dealing with people in sin. Pastors should read them from time to time. Even heed them from time to time.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Thanks Mizpeh for bumping this ...

More court testimony from the despotic pastor ....

Quotes from Pastor Fogarty's testimony:

“The Biblical definition of fornication is not what our modern day dictionary says. Adultery is fornication, but not all fornication is adultery… Actually any sexual misconduct or behavior, married or unmarried. That is fornication.”

“Her clothes got tighter. Her hemlines got shorter …she wore improper underclothes,” and Fogarty added that he had his wife, Karen Fogarty, accompany Angela to shop for clothing.

“I am sorry Angela was hurt. But if you’re asking if I’m sorry I said she was a fornicator? No, I’m not. That is what I believe.”

“Maybe I shouldn’t have ever mentioned her name. I should have just said ‘James has the right to remarry' and left it at that.”

From the taped message of July 25, 2006: “If you believe the standard definition of fornication then you do not believe that that person is free to remarry. But if you believe the full definition, which covers things such as perverted sex acts or perverted sexual spirit, the scripture is very clear on this.” “And so fornication covers things such as homosexuality, lesbianism, bestiality, lust, exhibitionism, pornography, child abuse, harlotry, prostitution, solicitation of sex and so forth. It covers all these things. Now I have personal knowledge that I will not go into, that Angela has committed one of these acts…. I’m not going to give you any more information about it. I will tell you that there was some abuse in – in the marriage.”

Fogarty had no comment for the press after the trial. Barbara Marschalk, Fogarty's attorney, is stated to have issued a written response after the verdict, saying that she and her client were disappointed in the outcome and that they were reviewing possible appeal options. “We do not believe that the verdict is supported by the law or the facts, and in particular the law concerning the separation of church and state.” She felt further comment would be inappropriate.

It would appear then, from those reports, that a main basis of defense was that Pastor Fogarty had a right to his interpretation of the Bible and that the courts should not become involved due to the separation of church and state. It was also felt that what happened did not fall into the definition of slander per se and it was questioned whether a claim for slander with no proof of special damages could be sustained. If any of this does not reflect what happened in his defense, I encourage Pastor Fogarty's attorney to contact me so that it may be readily corrected.

(SpiritualAbuse.org)

If her own husband does not think she committed sexual immorality ... why does this man continue to say she has?

How does this man know about her underclothes? Seriously? You sent your wife to go shopping with her?

Surely he has defined a new doctrine for fornication and refuses to budge from it ... why haven't his elders stepped in to correct this?

IS TIGHT AND SHORT CLOTHING .... FORNICATION? ANYONE ON THE GEORGIA DISTRICT BOARD OR EXECUTIVE BOARD CARE TO RESPOND?
If none care to answer I will have to ask each one individually via email .... including the fellowship ... starting with the 188 ministers in Georgia.

This is a doctrinal and ecclesiastical issue.

Why use the word "abuse" when he spoke to the church congregation? Is there abuse, Pastor Fogarty? Surely you should report this.

By recognizing that he shouldn't have mentioned her by name ... and saying that he should have just said that James could remarry ... is exactly what this was all about ... isn't it?