UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by DAII

“Her clothes got tighter. Her hemlines got shorter …she wore improper underclothes,” and Fogarty added that he had his wife, Karen Fogarty, accompany Angela to shop for clothing.

“I am sorry Angela was hurt. But if you’re asking if I’m sorry I said she was a fornicator? No, I’m not. That is what I believe.”

This guy has a real problem. Improper underclothes? I wasn't aware there was such a thing. What in the heck is he doing examining her underclothing?

Sending his wife with her to shop?

This guy is a control freak.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by baron1710

this guy has a real problem. Improper underclothes? I wasn't aware there was such a thing. What in the heck is he doing examining her underclothing?

Sending his wife with her to shop?

This guy is a control freak.

Mortifying, sick and cultic.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by DAII

“Her clothes got tighter. Her hemlines got shorter …she wore improper underclothes,” and Fogarty added that he had his wife, Karen Fogarty, accompany Angela to shop for clothing.

This always drives me insane. It isn't ANYONE's business what a woman wears under her clothes. Good grief. Underclothes only matter to the people that see the underclothes--the woman and her husband.

I remember my pastor's wife giving me a tip one time to wear skin-colored undies so that they wouldn't show through white, but it was more "girl talk"--not a condemning statement! I would have been mortified if someone had taken my fashion faux pas to mean I was immodest or immoral.

No wonder she quit attending there. Too bad her husband didn't defend her against their pastor and go with her to a new church. The outcome of this situation might have been vastly different.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

This always drives me insane. It isn't ANYONE's business what a woman wears under her clothes. Good grief. Underclothes only matter to the people that see the underclothes--the woman and her husband.

I remember my pastor's wife giving me a tip one time to wear skin-colored undies so that they wouldn't show through white, but it was more "girl talk"--not a condemning statement! I would have been mortified if someone had taken my fashion faux pas to mean I was immodest or immoral.

No wonder she quit attending there. Too bad her husband didn't defend her against their pastor and go with her to a new church. The outcome of this situation might have been vastly different.

I want to know how they KNEW she wore improper undergarments?

Guess they saw her shopping at VS?

[tv1a]

Does anyone find it peculiar the pastor's attorney is a woman? Based on the pastor's neanderthal views, I would think a female attorney wouldn't be an option.

Originally Posted by DAII

Thanks Mizpeh for bumping this ...

More court testimony from the despotic pastor ....

Quotes from Pastor Fogarty's testimony:

“The Biblical definition of fornication is not what our modern day dictionary says. Adultery is fornication, but not all fornication is adultery… Actually any sexual misconduct or behavior, married or unmarried. That is fornication.”

“Her clothes got tighter. Her hemlines got shorter …she wore improper underclothes,” and Fogarty added that he had his wife, Karen Fogarty, accompany Angela to shop for clothing.

“I am sorry Angela was hurt. But if you’re asking if I’m sorry I said she was a fornicator? No, I’m not. That is what I believe.”

“Maybe I shouldn’t have ever mentioned her name. I should have just said ‘James has the right to remarry' and left it at that.”

From the taped message of July 25, 2006: “If you believe the standard definition of fornication then you do not believe that that person is free to remarry. But if you believe the full definition, which covers things such as perverted sex acts or perverted sexual spirit, the scripture is very clear on this.” “And so fornication covers things such as homosexuality, lesbianism, bestiality, lust, exhibitionism, pornography, child abuse, harlotry, prostitution, solicitation of sex and so forth. It covers all these things. Now I have personal knowledge that I will not go into, that Angela has committed one of these acts…. I’m not going to give you any more information about it. I will tell you that there was some abuse in – in the marriage.”

Fogarty had no comment for the press after the trial. Barbara Marschalk, Fogarty's attorney, is stated to have issued a written response after the verdict, saying that she and her client were disappointed in the outcome and that they were reviewing possible appeal options. “We do not believe that the verdict is supported by the law or the facts, and in particular the law concerning the separation of church and state.” She felt further comment would be inappropriate.

It would appear then, from those reports, that a main basis of defense was that Pastor Fogarty had a right to his interpretation of the Bible and that the courts should not become involved due to the separation of church and state. It was also felt that what happened did not fall into the definition of slander per se and it was questioned whether a claim for slander with no proof of special damages could be sustained. If any of this does not reflect what happened in his defense, I encourage Pastor Fogarty's attorney to contact me so that it may be readily corrected.

(SpiritualAbuse.org)

If her own husband does not think she committed sexual immorality ... why does this man continue to say she has?

How does this man know about her underclothes? Seriously? You sent your wife to go shopping with her?

Surely he has defined a new doctrine for fornication and refuses to budge from it ... why haven't his elders stepped in to correct this?

IS TIGHT AND SHORT CLOTHING .... FORNICATION? ANYONE ON THE GEORGIA DISTRICT BOARD OR EXECUTIVE BOARD CARE TO RESPOND?
If none care to answer I will have to ask each one individually via email .... including the fellowship ... starting with the 188 ministers in Georgia.

This is a doctrinal and ecclesiastical issue.

Why use the word "abuse" when he spoke to the church congregation? Is there abuse, Pastor Fogarty? Surely you should report this.

By recognizing that he shouldn't have mentioned her by name ... and saying that he should have just said that James could remarry ... is exactly what this was all about ... isn't it?

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

$500,000 Awarded in Slander Lawsuit

This quote from the article is interesting:



Are the days of pastors calling out individual members of the congregation for sin over? I hope so! It's one thing to preach against sin, but it's another when you name names and can possibly ruin the reputation of someone by your public gossip in front of peers.

[StillStanding]

The article stated that the lady gave the pastor an opportunity to publicly apologize and she would drop the lawsuit. It appears to me that the lady was more interested in rebuilding her reputation than the money.

As Abby said, it's not a good idea to prance around in a bikini in front of a friends husband! The lady is not totally innocent, but this is not adultery.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

The article stated that the lady gave the pastor an opportunity to publicly apologize and she would drop the lawsuit. It appears to me that the lady was more interested in rebuilding her reputation than the money.

As Abby said, it's not a good idea to prance around in a bikini in front of a friends husband! The lady is not totally innocent, but this is not adultery.

Prance around at a pool with mutual friends (s) ... the nerve.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by DAII

Prance around at a pool with mutual friends (s) ... the nerve.

lol, that was my thought exactly. I mean how awful of her to do such a thing (I hope the sarcasm is apparent).

[DAII]

Originally Posted by jfrog

lol, that was my thought exactly. I mean how awful of her to do such a thing (I hope the sarcasm is apparent).

It was ....