UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Maybe. Maybe not. But the statements he did make really make it appear he is grasping at straws in order to justify the other romance/marriage.

Or grasping at straws so he wouldn't have to pay out 500,000 dollars

His intent in saying that woman committed adultery might have been because he actually believed deep down inside that she did commit adultery in the traditional sense. Of course the woman denied it and when push came to shove the best he could do is show that she was at a pool in a bikini and then call it exhibitionism and try to say thats what he was claiming she had done.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Would she have been guilty of "fornication" if she had been wearing a one-piece?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Would she have been guilty of "fornication" if she had been wearing a one-piece?

Or would it have been a lesser "charge" still, if it had one of those frilly "skirts" hemmed around it?

What if, at the same time, she was wearing a snorkel, mask and swim fins? Would that still be "adultery, child molestation and bestiality?"

[DAII]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Would she have been guilty of "fornication" if she had been wearing a one-piece?

I believe so. When one is fishing to justify ... anything will do.

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by Sherri

I don't think a bikini is modest in mixed company at all, but it sounds like the pastor in this case was trying to cover up for his daughter's relationship. Once again, a person's lifestyle (or his daughter's, in this case) tends to dictate his theology. A Christian woman in a bikini around other men is very unwise, but it's NOT adultery/fornication!

I've read most of the pages of this thread - interesting stuff. I just have one thing to say (ya right! famous last words, eh?).

I've never seen a divorce that happened because ONE party was completely at fault. My experience in life tells me that in almost every situation there is "her side", "his side" and "the whole truth". Meaning this: everybody has been finding lots of fault for this woman for wearing a bikini in front of her friend's husband. I agree. That's probably not the wisest thing she could have done. Is it fornication? No, I don't think so. But I also have to wonder what kinds of things she was having to live with in her home that would make her look outside. I have to believe there were alot more problems in this marriage than just her dress code. And I don't believe all the fault was on her side. No, I don't know that for a fact. I have nothing to really base that belief on - except life experience.

The thing that bothers me about the situation is that the pastor chose to put himself in the middle of things by handling this from the pulpit instead of in the privacy of his office with only the parties involved. I honestly don't believe that this was about him loving the sheep under his care. I believe it was about him justifying the relationship his daughter has gotten involved in. And honestly, I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear a few years from now that those two end up having problems in their relationship - just like he did in his first marriage.

[drummerboy_dave]

Originally Posted by Margies3

... I honestly don't believe that this was about him loving the sheep under his care. I believe it was about him justifying the relationship his daughter has gotten involved in...

Exactly!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave

Exactly!

You know, I got up and made a pitcher of kool-aid after you posted that pic of a Kool-aid pitcher.

Now I'm enjoying that along with the cool evening breeze that has come up and you are starting to make better sense.

[drummerboy_dave]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You know, I got up and made a pitcher of kool-aid after you posted that pic of a Kool-aid pitcher.

Now I'm enjoying that along with the cool evening breeze that has come up and you are starting to make better sense.

enjoy......I do hope it's cherry, which is by far the best Kool-aid flavor!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Margies3

I've read most of the pages of this thread - interesting stuff. I just have one thing to say (ya right! famous last words, eh?).

I've never seen a divorce that happened because ONE party was completely at fault. My experience in life tells me that in almost every situation there is "her side", "his side" and "the whole truth". Meaning this: everybody has been finding lots of fault for this woman for wearing a bikini in front of her friend's husband. I agree. That's probably not the wisest thing she could have done. Is it fornication? No, I don't think so. But I also have to wonder what kinds of things she was having to live with in her home that would make her look outside. I have to believe there were alot more problems in this marriage than just her dress code. And I don't believe all the fault was on her side. No, I don't know that for a fact. I have nothing to really base that belief on - except life experience.

The thing that bothers me about the situation is that the pastor chose to put himself in the middle of things by handling this from the pulpit instead of in the privacy of his office with only the parties involved. I honestly don't believe that this was about him loving the sheep under his care. I believe it was about him justifying the relationship his daughter has gotten involved in. And honestly, I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear a few years from now that those two end up having problems in their relationship - just like he did in his first marriage.

Unless I missed it, I have never seen where it was said she was ALONE with the man in her bikini.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Esther

Unless I missed it, I have never seen where it was said she was ALONE with the man in her bikini.

Well see? Now you're just compounding the problems here - and this is the second time this has come up! Why was this fellow wearing a woman's bikini in the first place?