UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

[OilCityCajun]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Good point, Pel. At the end of the discussion, we would have to accept, at this point, whatever the court settled on. Nothing could be proved against her.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

And how does the manual line up with the Bible on this instance? ...if the unbelieving depart, let him depart, the brother wouldn't be under bondage in such a case?

Indeed, the points made by Pel and Mizpah in these quotes are excellant. I would dare say they are too good. By that I mean, they are so good that it makes it even more apparent that the pastor was grasping at straws to justify something he knew was improper.

Had he made those points in his announcement of the new romance, no one would have debated him. And, since he would have named no specifics, only that she had 1) become (or remained?) an "unbeliever" and 2) Had departed (filed for divorce). Then there would have been no lawsuit. The fact that he ignored this easy and proper solution appears (there's the root of my favorite phrase in this thread!) that it wouldnt quite match up with the facts.

[drummerboy_dave]

Originally Posted by pelathais

One part of the problem with your list of "truths" is that they are not entirely "true."

The woman in question brought the divorce proceeding and thus made the husband a "victim" of divorce. The UPC Manual very clearly delineates the propriety of such a "victim" of divorce to remarry while then asking that ministers in such a position not remarry.

The man was not a minister so he was free to remarry "only in the Lord" according to the UPCI Manual. There was simply no need for the pastor to do what he did. He could have simply read from the Manual if he wanted to "back up" the 'rights' of his daughter to date and later marry this guy.

Ha! So, pappa had "the manual" to give justification to his daughter for climbing into romance with this guy and he still chose the path he chose?!

All the more reason, that his board should have helped him retract his blunder and settled this thing when they had the chance. (Although, if that were the case, how many of us, incuding myself, would be asking, what's the cover up?) As it proved, it was a cool half a mill, choice.

Still, pappa's actions merit review from his supervisors and his parishoners and the UPC population at large. Not that I believe him to be a bad person, or to cause any more trouble, but because we all know how that slippery slope is. Once a person starts bearing false witness, pretty soon, they'll be....

Whew, I glad we've settled this, once and for all.

[Fiyahstarter]

I thought you guys were all saying the same thing, except that apparently (seemingly, it appears that) JFrog and Cajun use different dictionaries.

Just shows how STOOPID I am. (Wonder if I should get that tatooed on my forehead?)

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

I thought you guys were all saying the same thing, except that apparently (seemingly, it appears that) JFrog and Cajun use different dictionaries.

Just shows how STOOPID I am. (Wonder if I should get that tatooed on my forehead?)

LOL!

[drummerboy_dave]

If only we had such a concerted effort for the definition if "is" back in the 90's.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave

If only we had such a concerted effort for the definition if "is" back in the 90's.

[DividedThigh]

this is a case of lack of wisdom at the least, good grief charlie brown, another unwise, ignorant pastor, need for training is evident, dt

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

this is a case of lack of wisdom at the least, good grief charlie brown, another unwise, ignorant pastor, need for training is evident, dt

He did use lack of wisdom in this case but I wouldn't say he is ignorant. He is very strict and conservative. There is no room for divorce except for adultery to him.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

He did use lack of wisdom in this case but I wouldn't say he is ignorant. He is very strict and conservative. There is no room for divorce except for adultery to him.

the way it was handled is in my view ignorant, he may have great, strong convictions, but when will these ignorant brethren realize they cant control peoples lives, and they ought not say every little thought that comes to them, in a rant usually, dt

[allstate1]

It seems wierd to me a poster called Divided Thigh is on a fornication thread!! I guess my mind is in the gutter!!! LOL