Is this biblical?? - Page 3

OilCityCajun · #21 08-12-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

And what responsibility was laid to Ezekiel?

According to Ezekiel 3:16-21 It is the responsibility of the ministry to warn the wicked. Those ministers who fail to cry out against sin are held responsible for the souls of those who would have repented had the minister fulfilled his duty.

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Originally Posted by jfrog

And what makes you think we are not all ministers?

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
Many, not all, and only a few of those make the cut.

Mr. Smith · #22 08-12-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OilCityCajun

Then by all means allow me to break it down for you:

My very first 2 sentences acknowledge that some pastors are, indeed, tyrannical usurpers.
and at the center of my post you find 2 more sentences acknowledging that some pastors are tyrannical usurpers.

"...on one point..." clearly indicates I disagree with them on all other points. I.E.: I disagree that asking questions is a sign of rebellion, etc., etc.
I close by telling him he needs to find a new church, but not one of his own choosing, but rather one to which God leads him. So you see? When you read the context without a preconceived notion and a bucket load of attitude, you find the context does indeed infer a different meaning to "pray through" than that which is commonly intended.

Really? Are you saying the responsibility clearly laid on Ezekiel applies only to Ezekiel and not to all ministers, including pastors?

You can take a stick of dynamite to your post and blow it up into a million pieces if you like, but you still told the poor kid he needed to "Pray through." It is what it is.

You can put a bow tie and cummerbund on a pig, but it'll still be a pig.

Does it say anywhere in the book of Ezekiel and his beautiful descriptions of the Watchman on the Wall, that the "Watchman" is above anyone? Of course not. The pastor holds a different office than others, but not above. Sorry, but your elevated view of the ministry doesn't match the exhortations given in Romans 12 and I Corinthians 12 for each of us, regardless of our positioning in the Body of Christ, to fulfill that gift with joy. There isn't anything in the New Testament that places anyone in ministry above other people. Sorry.

OilCityCajun · #23 08-12-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Does it say anywhere in the book of Ezekiel and his beautiful descriptions of the Watchman on the Wall, that the "Watchman" is above anyone?

Ummm lets see.... Walls around cities are usually higher than the rooftops and the people are not normally as tall as their own roofs so umm yeah, the watchman is above the people, at least so long as he is on the wall.

Ok, now let's get serious. Since you do not deny that all ministers share that responsibility of watching for the souls of those who hear them, lets now go on to the next step.

"Obey them that have rule over you, for they watch for your souls."

Checkmate.

Mr. Smith · #24 08-12-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OilCityCajun

Ummm lets see.... Walls around cities are usually higher than the rooftops and the people are not normally as tall as their own roofs so umm yeah, the watchman is above the people, at least so long as he is on the wall.

Ok, now let's get serious. Since you do not deny that all ministers share that responsibility of watching for the souls of those who hear them, lets now go on to the next step.

"Obey them that have rule over you, for they watch for your souls."

Checkmate.

"Obey your spiritual leaders and do what they say. Their work is to watch over your souls, and they know they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this joyfully and not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit."

A "Leader" isn't someone "Above", it's someone "In Front." Big difference if you care to actually pay attention to the meaning of what's being said, dimwit.

OilCityCajun · #25 08-13-2010, 12:05 AM

Are you not aware that when you are required to obey someone, they have authority over you? I am so glad name-calling isnt against AFF rules. You surely wouldnt last around here long if it were.

Mr. Smith · #26 08-13-2010, 09:20 AM

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Are you not aware that when you are required to obey someone, they have authority over you? I am so glad name-calling isnt against AFF rules. You surely wouldnt last around here long if it were.

You liked that, huh?

If the shoe fits....

Is "Dimwit" a "Name" or an accurate description?

A "Leader" gives instruction that needs to be followed. It is not a "Demand" from "Above", it is a "Direction" from "In Front."

Pretty simple, actually, unless you are one of two things:

1) A pastor that enjoys lording yourself over people; or

2) A non-pastor who needs someone on which to blame your failures and shies away from accepting personal responsibility.

You're welcome.

jfrog · #27 08-13-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OilCityCajun

According to Ezekiel 3:16-21 It is the responsibility of the ministry to warn the wicked. Those ministers who fail to cry out against sin are held responsible for the souls of those who would have repented had the minister fulfilled his duty.
Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
Many, not all, and only a few of those make the cut.

We are all to watch for one another and warn the wicked. That is a Christians duty.

It baffles me as to why you would cite Matthew 22:14 in response to not all being ministers. It is not about ministers at all...

Mr. Smith · #28 08-13-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

We are all to watch for one another and warn the wicked. That is a Christians duty.

It baffles me as to why you would cite Matthew 22:14 in response to not all being ministers. It is not about ministers at all...

He believes there are a special chosen few. It's a sad, abusive-submissive mentality.

jfrog · #29 08-13-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OilCityCajun

Ummm lets see.... Walls around cities are usually higher than the rooftops and the people are not normally as tall as their own roofs so umm yeah, the watchman is above the people, at least so long as he is on the wall.

Ok, now let's get serious. Since you do not deny that all ministers share that responsibility of watching for the souls of those who hear them, lets now go on to the next step.

"Obey them that have rule over you, for they watch for your souls."

Checkmate.

We are all ministers and all share in that responsibility. As far as obeying them that have rule over you, I do wonder how a person obtained such rule over another in the first place? It seems to me that those that have rule over us only have such authority because we give it. We are not mandated to give it either but we ought to if the person has shown themselves worthy of being our leader.

Mr. Smith · #30 08-14-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

You liked that, huh?

If the shoe fits....

Is "Dimwit" a "Name" or an accurate description?

A "Leader" gives instruction that needs to be followed. It is not a "Demand" from "Above", it is a "Direction" from "In Front."

Pretty simple, actually, unless you are one of two things:

1) A pastor that enjoys lording yourself over people; or

2) A non-pastor who needs someone on which to blame your failures and shies away from accepting personal responsibility.

You're welcome.

Chevron? Oil man....whatever your name is....anything?