Prophesying Versus Speaking In Tongues

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

mf in acts 2 the first time they spoke in tongues they were telling of the good works..they were not praising....

Telling of good works IS PRAISE!

Acts 2:11 KJV Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Psalms 107:8 KJV Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Telling of good works IS PRAISE!

Acts 2:11 KJV Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Psalms 107:8 KJV Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

*sigh*

Brother Blume I am really disappointed sometimes in what I see coming to me in your posts. You have been a man of great honesty and sometimes it seems you are attempting to stretch the word.

Okay... but I'll take my time and demonstrate what I am talking about.

This verse does not, by any stretch of anyones imagination, define the telling of God's good works as praise, praise only, and only praise never to ever, ever be anything else.. Now... we all know praise CAN BE telling of God's good works.

But... let's look at your verse.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Psalms 107:8 KJV Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
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Oh that men would praise the LORD... FOR His goodness.... FOR his wonderful works.

I can praise Him for many things. But that doesn't automatically make every single time anyone mentions Gods wonderful works praise, praise only, and nothing but praise.

You know that Brother Blume. Why are you grasping so hard at straws?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

*sigh*

Brother Blume I am really disappointed sometimes in what I see coming to me in your posts. You have been a man of great honesty and sometimes it seems you are attempting to stretch the word.

Wow. If this does not take the cake!!!

Brother! You claim I am acting dishonestly and stretching the word??? I plainly proved that PRAISING INCLUDES SPEAKING THE WONDERFUL WORKS OF GOD. The verses in Psalm prove it. I mean, it tells us to praise God by speaking of his wonderful works, and you say I am dishonest in quoting that and saying Praise IS INDEED speaking his wonderful works??

Brother, talk about dishonesty! Whew!

Okay... but I'll take my time and demonstrate what I am talking about.

This verse does not, by any stretch of anyones imagination, define the telling of God's good works as praise, praise only, and only praise never to ever, ever be anything else..

Now, did I said speaking his wonderful works IS PRAISE ONLY? Give me a break here. Lol

Someone said SPEAKING WONDERFUL WORKS IS NOT PRAISE. I showed where it is. Had I been challenged that speaking of his wonderful works IS NOT PRAISE ALONE, that woudl be one thing for me to respond with that Psalm. But that is not what was said, and that is not what I responded to with the Psalm!

Please!

If you told me that cars are not blue, I would not think you were telling me that the only things that are blue are NOT cars. Do not change the point I addressed.

Now... we all know praise CAN BE telling of God's good works.

Well, that is not what I was told. I was told praise IS NOT speaking the wonderful works of God.

But... let's look at your verse.



Oh that men would praise the LORD... FOR His goodness.... FOR his wonderful works.

I can praise Him for many things. But that doesn't automatically make every single time anyone mentions Gods wonderful works praise, praise only, and nothing but praise.

You did the same mistake again! Think of it. It is ALSO NOT SAYING you CANNOT SPEAK OF HIS WONDERFUL WORKS WHEN YOU PRAISE HIM FOR THEM!

First of all, if you are going to call someone dishonest and stretching, then don't change the argument one made by changing the original statement the argument addressed. And secondly, do not change the argument as though I claimed the ONLY way to speak of his wonderful works is to praise. I addressed the statement PRAISE IS NOT SPEAKING ABOUT WONDERFUL WORKS OF GOD. And I stand by my word that this is proved wrong by the Psalm I quoted. Nothing more nor less.

You know that Brother Blume. Why are you grasping so hard at straws?

Straws? (Whew!)

[Jason B]

GREAT THREAD D4T.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

GREAT THREAD D4T.

I think so too. It is more of an "I'm thinking out loud" type thread but I'm enjoying it.

Today my wife & daughter talked on this a little bit and the thought we discussed was this...

Peter said "this is that".

The THAT he spoke of was Joel's prophecy.

Joel said...

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
Joel 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Nowhere in that discourse is tongues mentioned. When Peter said this is that what we have been taught would lead us to believe that Joel had said "I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh and your sons and your daughters shall speak in tongues." because of the heavy emphasis on the tongues. It's like nothing else exists.

But... I am headed to the church for Praise Team Practice. So I need to get.

But I am enjoying the volley of ideas that my "thinking out loud" is inviting.

[pelathais]

In the ancient world "to prophesy" was synonymous with "speaking in an unknown tongue."

The Egyptian courtier and servant of Pharaoh, Wenamun, describes this phenomena among some "prophets" that he encounters in the Levant region near Byblos in about the year 1112 BC.

The priestess of Apollo at the famous Oracle of Delphi famously "spoke in tongues" when she "prophesied" and an interpretation by a priest was required. A similar scene is depicted in the recent film "300" showing the Spartan leader Leonidas consulting an oracle who "speaks in tongues" which is subsequently "interpreted" by the priests.

There has been a lengthy discussion of this topic in scholarly journals like Veritas Testamentum, but you have to pay to read the whole thing or attend a university that provides a subscription. JSTOR provides a fairly good read here: http://www.jstor.org/pss/1356093 for free. There is a larger - though somewhat dated - discussion here: http://books.google.com/books?id=sqw...page&q&f=false

To "prophesy" in the ancient world was the same outwardly observable phenomena as our own "speaking in tongues."

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by pelathais

In the ancient world "to prophesy" was synonymous with "speaking in an unknown tongue."

The Egyptian courtier and servant of Pharaoh, Wenamun, describes this phenomena among some "prophets" that he encounters in the Levant region near Byblos in about the year 1112 BC.

The priestess of Apollo at the famous Oracle of Delphi famously "spoke in tongues" when she "prophesied" and an interpretation by a priest was required. A similar scene is depicted in the recent film "300" showing the Spartan leader Leonidas consulting an oracle who "speaks in tongues" which is subsequently "interpreted" by the priests.

There has been a lengthy discussion of this topic in scholarly journals like Veritas Testamentum, but you have to pay to read the whole thing or attend a university that provides a subscription. JSTOR provides a fairly good read here: http://www.jstor.org/pss/1356093 for free. There is a larger - though somewhat dated - discussion here: http://books.google.com/books?id=sqw...page&q&f=false

To "prophesy" in the ancient world was the same outwardly observable phenomena as our own "speaking in tongues."

I had never heard this before.

I had not seen this demonstrated in the OT examples of prophesying nor with Zacharias' prophecy. I will have to look into this. Thanks for the info.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by pelathais

In the ancient world "to prophesy" was synonymous with "speaking in an unknown tongue."

The Egyptian courtier and servant of Pharaoh, Wenamun, describes this phenomena among some "prophets" that he encounters in the Levant region near Byblos in about the year 1112 BC.

The priestess of Apollo at the famous Oracle of Delphi famously "spoke in tongues" when she "prophesied" and an interpretation by a priest was required. A similar scene is depicted in the recent film "300" showing the Spartan leader Leonidas consulting an oracle who "speaks in tongues" which is subsequently "interpreted" by the priests.

There has been a lengthy discussion of this topic in scholarly journals like Veritas Testamentum, but you have to pay to read the whole thing or attend a university that provides a subscription. JSTOR provides a fairly good read here: http://www.jstor.org/pss/1356093 for free. There is a larger - though somewhat dated - discussion here: http://books.google.com/books?id=sqw...page&q&f=false

To "prophesy" in the ancient world was the same outwardly observable phenomena as our own "speaking in tongues."

Yet in the Bible prophecy seems to be intelligible. I don't really think pagan sources are a good endorsement of what we call "speaking in tongues". In fact, on the surface it seems to lend credence to those who claim the whole practice is occultic

[walkbyfaith]

these signs shall follow them that believe,they shall speak with other tongues.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by walkbyfaith

these signs shall follow them that believe,they shall speak with other tongues.

Entire passage:


15 And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. 16 Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned. 17 These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages.[e] 18 They will be able to handle snakes with safety, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won’t hurt them. They will be able to place their hands on the sick, and they will be healed.”