Huntley tonite: Acts 2:38 is the Only Gospel - Page 2

Pressing-On · #1 10-03-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

THE ONLY GOSPEL, DESPITE WHAT OTHERS MAY PREACH:

Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures 1 Cor 15:1-4

Hola, UPCI Jihadist!

I Corinthians 15:1-4

(1) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

(2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

(3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

(4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent (DEATH), and be baptized (BURIAL) every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (RESURRECTION).

Just believing that Christ died, was buried and rose again does not make you saved. If that were true, Peter wouldn't have preached what he did on the Day of Pentecost. Acts 2:38 is concisely the Gospel and the response to that Gospel all rolled up in one little package. We then go on to perfection (maturity) in Christ, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, faith toward God, doctrines of baptism, laying on of hands, resurrection from the dead and eternal judgment.

RevDWW · #2 10-03-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

THE ONLY GOSPEL, DESPITE WHAT OTHERS MAY PREACH:

Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures 1 Cor 15:1-4

So Paul is saying that the D,B,& R of Christ is the Gospel?

And Peter preached the D,B,& R in his message in Acts 2 before he got to 38?

How does one obey the D,B,& R of Chirst? By having their own D,B, & R?

Apocrypha · #3 10-03-2010, 12:37 PM

And here we go....

DAII · #4 10-03-2010, 04:42 PM

Everyone take out their secret decoders ...

RevDWW · #5 10-03-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Everyone take out their secret decoders ...

Death, burial, resurrection....duh......

DAII · #6 10-03-2010, 04:43 PM

Let's RE-ENACT THE GOSPEL ... because what He did wasn't enough to rely on ... I got to become a "mini-Jesus" and mimic WHAT HE DID to assure my salvation.

mizpeh · #7 10-03-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Let's RE-ENACT THE GOSPEL ... because what He did wasn't enough to rely on ... I got to become a "mini-Jesus" and mimic WHAT HE DID to assure my salvation.

What then is the purpose of repentance, and water and Spirit baptisms, Dan?

DAII · #8 10-03-2010, 08:28 PM

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What then is the purpose of repentance, and water and Spirit baptisms, Dan?

Mizpeh, we've been through all this for almost 4 years now. You're stuck on performance salvation ... I'm cool with that.

RevDWW · #9 10-03-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Mizpeh, we've been through through this for almost 4 years now. You're stuck on performance salvation ... I'm cool with that.

No act of obedience is need for salvation, isn't that what you've been touting DA? Just mental ascent and all is well? The only doing needed is to beleive?

You can go on with that but you'd need to disregard Hebrews and James when it comes to true faith. Why is it that each of the hero's of faith in Hebrews seems to mention the actions they took?

Or what of James:

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Faith can not live without action.

Jason B · #10 10-03-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

No act of obedience is need for salvation, isn't that what you've been touting DA? Just mental ascent and all is well? The only doing needed is to beleive?

You can go on with that but you'd need to disregard Hebrews and James when it comes to true faith. Why is it that each of the hero's of faith in Hebrews seems to mention the actions they took?

Or what of James:

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Faith can not live without action.

This doesn't prove the UPC doctrine at all. All James does is affirm that we are justified by faith, NOT by any human achievement or obedience. However, James' point is simply that true faith (aka saving faith) ALWAYS results in action. Saving faith is obedient faith. Saving faith is submissive faith. Saving faith is living faith. A mere mental assent to the facts of the gospel without any further action simply proves dead faith, and thereby an absence of saving faith. James quite specifically disqualifies "easy believism", as does John throughout
1 John.

We are justified (saved) at the point of faith/repentance, but the EVIDENCE of that faith is in our good works(Epehsians 2:10), the first among which should be water baptism so that we can identify with the death burrial and resurrection of Christ.