OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Sam

and one of the ways we won't be able to practice our religion is by preaching against gay marriage because it will be considered "hate speech" and "discrimination"

According to Twisp you can rail against gays. You do it by saying you follow Islam and sharia and the judge will be forced to give you a pass to avoid violating the 1st amendment.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

???

Yes, the Oklahoman measure that was voted on specifically bans the application of Islamic law and orders judges in the state to rely only on federal law when deciding cases. That is is in direct violation of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

The 1st amendment separates church from state already, so there was no need for this measure. The fact that is specifically targets Islam makes it unconstitutional.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Yes, the Oklahoman measure that was voted on specifically bans the application of Islamic law and orders judges in the state to rely only on federal law when deciding cases. That is is in direct violation of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

The 1st amendment separates church from state already, so there was no need for this measure. The fact that is specifically targets Islam makes it unconstitutional.

So how do they decide which to uphold ? Do you charge the man with assault for beating his wife or let him go because its his religion ?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by scotty

So how do they decide which to uphold ? Do you charge the man with assault for beating his wife or let him go because its his religion ?

Considering an appeals court overturned the New Jersey case, I think they have already said that government laws overrule religious laws. The appellate court said that "the husband’s religious beliefs were irrelevant and that the judge, in taking them into consideration, “was mistaken.”"

So, that is not really an issue. Government law trumps religious law, in that case at least. The same would apply to all faiths.

http://mogallant.wordpress.com/2010/...onsensual-sex/

[Sam]

Originally Posted by scotty

So how do they decide which to uphold ? Do you charge the man with assault for beating his wife or let him go because its his religion ?

We need a Solomon here

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Yes, the Oklahoman measure that was voted on specifically bans the application of Islamic law and orders judges in the state to rely only on federal law when deciding cases. That is is in direct violation of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

The 1st amendment separates church from state already, so there was no need for this measure. The fact that is specifically targets Islam makes it unconstitutional.

Actually, Sharia law was used as an example, but technically the bill only pinpoints using "International law" to decide cases. Ergo, the bill itself does not target Islam.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Actually, Sharia law was used as an example, but technically the bill only pinpoints using "International law" to decide cases. Ergo, the bill itself does not target Islam.

That is silly. It specifically mentions Sharia law twice on the measure ballot. By specifying a religion, it clearly violates the 1st amendment rule of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...ion_755_(2010)

[Victorious]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Yes, the Oklahoman measure that was voted on specifically bans the application of Islamic law and orders judges in the state to rely only on federal law when deciding cases. That is is in direct violation of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

The 1st amendment separates church from state already, so there was no need for this measure. The fact that is specifically targets Islam makes it unconstitutional.

The problem with this argument is that the establishment clause in the 1st Ammendment is specifically targeted at the US Congress not state congresses. Secondy the Oklahoma law is not "...respecting an establishment of religion." It is denying the validity of specific religious and international laws in deciding domestic and criminal court cases in the state of Oklahoma. States are given jurisdiction to create such laws by the very same Constitution that limits the powers of the Federal Government.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Victorious

The problem with this argument is that the establishment clause in the 1st Ammendment is specifically targeted at the US Congress not state congresses. Secondy the Oklahoma law is not "...respecting an establishment of religion." It is denying the validity of specific religious and international laws in deciding domestic and criminal court cases in the state of Oklahoma. States are given jurisdiction to create such laws by the very same Constitution that limits the powers of the Federal Government.

Sabri Husibi is a former Muslim who recently spoke at a gathering for the Tulsa Atheists ... anything against Shariah has been recieving death threats. Under Sharia, they can' punish the people giving an infidel death threats.

Even Cat Stevens agreed that Rushdie should die for his heresey against Islam.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Yes, the Oklahoman measure that was voted on specifically bans the application of Islamic law and orders judges in the state to rely only on federal law when deciding cases. That is is in direct violation of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

The 1st amendment separates church from state already, so there was no need for this measure. The fact that is specifically targets Islam makes it unconstitutional.

So the state laws are no longer enforcible?
Only federal law?

Do you know why you make dishonest claims?

Some out of state Muslim lawyer already filed for an injunction. He doesn't have an Oklahoma bar permit, I suspect his standing will get his case tossed.

Having the case tossed will be by using Oklahoma law and not federal law.