Very Interesting From The Apostolic News

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

When you have successfully persuaded someone to come around and accept your position as valid you should probably encourage them rather than continue to poke at them.

You've done well here, DAII. Congratulate AN for "seeing the light."

Someone else deserves the credit for this one.

[Socialite]

The technology AN uses for its stories, it's very much the possibility that this AFF thread could pop up in their reader!

And I find that highly entertaining...

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Socialite

The technology AN uses for its stories, it's very much the possibility that this AFF thread could pop up in their reader!

And I find that highly entertaining...

Personally, I don't believe the editors there read AFF.

[DAII]

I also see William still fawning over Oneness champions like the Bishop of Antioch, Paul of Samosota ... in his fictional novel of who he calls "greatest heretic of all time"...

More about Paul of Samosota's "Apostolic" Oneness beliefs ...

Teachings

Paul's teaching is a form of Monarchianism, which emphasized the oneness of God. Paul taught that Jesus was born a mere man, but that at his baptism he was infused with the divine Logos or word of God. Hence, Jesus was seen not as God-become-man but as man-become-God.

In his Discourses to Sabinus, of which only fragments are preserved in a book against heresies ascribed to Anastasius, Paul writes:

"Having been anointed by the Holy Spirit he received the title of the anointed (i.e. Christos), suffering in accordance with his nature, working wonders in accordance with grace. For in fixity and resoluteness of character he likened himself to God; and having kept himself free from sin was united with God, and was empowered to grasp as it were the power and authority of wonders. By these he was shown to possess over and above the will, one and the same activity (with God), and won the title of Redeemer and Saviour of our race."
"The Saviour became holy and just; and by struggle and hard work overcame the sins of our forefather. By these means he succeeded in perfecting himself, and was through his moral excellence united with God; having attained to unity and sameness of will and energy (i.e. activity) with Him through his advances in the path of good deeds. This will be preserved inseparable (from the Divine), and so inherited the name which is above all names, the prize of love and affection vouchsafed in grace to him."

"We do not award praise to beings which submit merely in virtue of their nature; but we do award high praise to beings which submit because their attitude is one of love; and so submitting because their inspiring motive is one and the same, they are confirmed and strengthened by one and the same indwelling power, of which the force ever grows, so that it never ceases to stir. It was in virtue of this love that the Saviour coalesced with God, so as to admit of no divorce from Him, but for all ages to retain one and the same will and activity with Him, an activity perpetually at work in the manifestation of good."

"Wonder not that the Saviour had one will with God. For as nature manifests the substance of the many to subsist as one and the same, so the attitude of love produces in the many a unity and a sameness of will which is manifested by unity and sameness of approval and well-pleasingness."

Paul was an early forerunner of Adoptionism. Possibly, the Paulicians of Armenia adhered to his teachings, and received their name from him. However, historical records show that the Paulicians were bitterly persecuted more for their gnostic and iconoclastic views than for their adherence to Adoptionism.

Paul's pupil Lucian of Antioch is considered to have had a major influence on Arius the founder of Arianism.

Eusebius' account
Another major source of information we have of Paul of Samosata comes from Eusebius of Caesarea, who described some of the doctrines and practices Paul displayed openly, which included:
Receiving money for his religious services,[3] as well as paying others to preach his doctrines.[4]

Preferring to be called an imperial procurator of queen Zenobia, rather than bishop.[5]

He stopped the production of psalms to Christ, and trained women to sing psalms to himself[6] as an angel come down from heaven.[7]

Likewise, Eusebius hints to the fact that Paul was "too familiar" with his women followers,[8] whom he called "subintroductae".[9]

source: Wiki

[coadie]

Dan is our apostolic version of wiki and Daily Kos combined. Gossip central.

[Baron1710]

They guys over at AN deserve credit on this, when confronted with the facts they did the right thing. Whatever else they are they were at least honest enough to listen to the facts and make a responsible decision.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

They guys over at AN deserve credit on this, when confronted with the facts they did the right thing. Whatever else they are they were at least honest enough to listen to the facts and make a responsible decision.

[DAII]

I have read this other Kal Boora quote in his interview with Baumeister ...

Another well noted British scholar, the late Professor Arthur James Mason (1851-1928), former Vicar of All Hallows, Barking and Master of Pembroke College Cambridge, and Lady Margaret Professor of Divinity Cambridge University (for his bio see Who’s Who, 1905 fifty-seventh year issue p. 35) adds to the list of scholars and is in close proximity to the Anglo-Catholic view, that baptism in the name of Jesus only is a valid form of baptism as recognized by the Catholic Church.

A notation of this appears in his work published in 1893 A.D., entitled: The Relation of Confirmation To Baptism As Taught in Holy Scripture and The Fathers (2nd ed.) published by Longsmans, Green & Co., London (1893).

What the late British Cambridge University scholar and professor is informing us, is that, despite the stigma associated with the Jesus only baptismal formula, in that, it being termed by some as invalid despite scriptural evidence (Acts 2:38), the Catholic Church in Rome and the West in this era appeared to accept its candidates as correctly baptized, as noted by the preceding commentator. This view is brought out when discussing the issue of confirmation and baptism. Mason’s work notes quite distinctively that baptism in the name of Jesus is nevertheless sufficient to secure salvation. Thus, as Professor Mason notes (see p. 132 of the version published by Bibliolife, LLC):
“Baptism, though uncompleted by confirmation, is nevertheless sufficient to secure salvation… and this, even if the formula be … only the name of Jesus Christ.”

And have compared them with the greater context of Mason's thoughts about the Novation writings ... and I must say it is taken out of greater context with some quotes completely changed or non-existent.

This book by Mason can be viewed here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=skB...page&q&f=false

I will give specific examples and images of pages later this evening.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DAII

I have read this other Kal Boora quote in his interview with Baumeister ...



And have compared them with the greater context of Mason's thoughts about the Novation writings ... and I must say it is taken out of greater context with some quotes completely changed or non-existent.

This book by Mason can be viewed here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=skB...page&q&f=false

I will give specific examples and images of pages later this evening.

Good old heretic hunters. What will you do to them after you round them up?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by coadie

Good old heretic hunters. What will you do to them after you round them up?

Coadie, you have no idea what your talking about. Back away slowly so as not to get hurt.