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Old 01-05-2008, 09:23 PM
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Really, Steve?!
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Old 01-05-2008, 09:30 PM
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Really, Steve?!
Yes really.
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:53 AM
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Re: Oneness or Twoness Mailout from Joel Hemphill
You can see some of Joel's preaching on cgtchurch.net. He's in some of the archived services.
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EXCERPT FROM DAVID BERNARD'S BOOK, The Oneness of God:

"We have already discussed that "Son of God" refers to the humanity of Jesus. Clearly the humanity of Jesus is not eternal but was born in Bethlehem. One can speak of eternality - past, present, and future - only with respect to God. Since "Son of God" refers to humanity or deity as manifest in humanity, the idea of an eternal Son is incomprehensible. The Son of God had a beginning."
Yes..the Son of God had a beginining..even some Oneness do not get this..
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Hemphill's lack of incarnation doctrine is shocking, to say the least. The spirit of antichrist denies that JESUS IS COME IN THE FLESH. In order for one to COME IN THE FLESH, one has to pre-exist fleshly birth! That means Jesus is God! And that is the reason 1 John speaks of Jesus come in the flesh as well as God being seen in us when we love one another. The entire point John was making was that God manifests in flesh, whether it is through us as we love one another, proving God is in us, or Himself incarnating, as seen in the phrase "Jesus is come in the flesh."

We cannot say that each of us "came in the flesh" because that would imply we existed before our fleshly existence, since one has to exist before one can COME in flesh. We did not exist until our fleshly existence came into being with our souls and spirits.
How exactly did Jesus PRe exist His fleshly birth?
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If believes that Jesus was not God. Then he needs to take a step up just to be a Trinitarian.

I think not believing Jesus is both God and Man is the most dangerous position of them all.

Without him being god the death on calvary is void and powerless.

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Are you saying God died on the cross?
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How exactly did Jesus PRe exist His fleshly birth?
as the Word/Logos/Memra also known as the Angel of the Lord.

The prophet Zechariah (13:7) quotes YHWH as calling Him "my shepherd" and also:
"my fellow" KJV, YLT, Darby, Geneva
"my companion" NKJV, NIV
"my Associate" TLB, NAS, NRSV, Amplified
"my partner" NLT
"the man who is close to me" CJB
"my citizen" Benton's LXX
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How exactly did Jesus PRe exist His fleshly birth?
As Yahweh, the Creator of all things
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Are you saying God died on the cross?
If it wasn't God then it was someone other than God....two persons.
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His position is essentially that of Arius.
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