Will those that leave standards be lost?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

I wouldn't dispute that!


I think there are moral specifics that are very plain in scripture. Morally, it is wrong to fornicate or kill. No one argues those points. Modesty? We all believe in modesty in dress. We just all have a differing point that we draw our line. But we all agree that there is a need for modesty.

I personally believe unless the bible plainly states something, it is probably something that God intends each individual to work out with Him personally.

Well this is something I don't have to pray about-I ain't wearing no dress!!

[Michael The Disciple]

Ten pages so far and I have not seen what I personally know of concerning standards mentioned except in passing.

No one will be lost for wearing a beard. It is a masculine thing ordained of God. Some may be lost for teaching such a thing and causing righteous men to turn from Oneness Churches.

No woman will be lost over trimming her hair. No scripture says such a thing. Again if loss of salvation occurs over the issue it may be those who teach standards of their own and not of YHWH.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ten pages so far and I have not seen what I personally know of concerning standards mentioned except in passing.

No one will be lost for wearing a beard. It is a masculine thing ordained of God. Some may be lost for teaching such a thing and causing righteous men to turn from Oneness Churches.

No woman will be lost over trimming her hair. No scripture says such a thing. Again if loss of salvation occurs over the issue it may be those who teach standards of their own and not of YHWH.

No one will be lost for .............
men and women in pants or shorts.
Going to a Pro. Football game unless it's the Bears.
Skipping church to go camping or fishing.
Not paying a tithe.

[Brother Price]

This question was asked on another forum, and I responded in this manner...

Standards do not make one saved. Standards are fruit. If a saint, in a modest and humble spirit, feels led to dress as a holiness person, then their modesty and holiness will keep them saved, and their standards will be the fruit thereof. I have known non-standards saints who have a right spirit, and they are my brethren, yes. May not agree with them on their dress, but that is between them and the Lord. They have a right spirit, and I believe eventually, the Lord will lead them into some form of standards.

For me, I do not wear shorts, because no human being deserves the pain of seeing my legs. I do not wear jewelry, because it is just not right in my spirit to do so. I do not wear sleeveless shirts, because of the same reason as the shorts. I watch a little TV now and then, but not any of the ungodly mess I see on many channels. I believe a woman should not trim her hair because it is a sign of rebellion in my heart's view. All of these are in my heart, because of the spirit within me.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I'll ask a differnent question than the thread title

Will those that IMPOSE standards be lost?

One preacher said he'd prefer to error on the side of saftey. He said if I can get to heaven with a wedding ring on, well surely i can make iit in without one.

NO ! If you impose FASE doctrine on people as a test of salvation or fellowship and you are wrong on your interpretation, you have imposed hair-esy and you will answer for that.

Those who insisted on putting a yoke on new christians (circumsicion for example) Paul told they were wrongf in this. If Judaizers persited in enforcing their "standards" do you think God was going to just give a free pass.

People will be lost over standards YES ! mainly those that impose false ones.

JMHO

Gonna bump this thought and a couple of responses up for discussion.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Telling people that there are things that are good and that there are things that are harmful is the responsibility of the under-shepherd. However, attaching a soteriologic significance to something that God does not, IMO, is heretical. Anyone who messes with what God requires, I believe, will face a harsh judgement. I have no problem with folks who follow their personal convictions. But when those convictions become a requirement for salvation, then we have a problem!

Tell me that you do whatever it is that you do because you feel that it is the right thing to do. But don't tell me that I'm lost unless I do it YOUR way! The LAST thing I want to do is to require more from folks than God does for their salvation. I'm fairly fearless and a "pioneer" type, but I ain't treadin' on that ground.

As we judge, we shall be judged. I want mercy! I need mercy! I had better extend mercy!

Think about it.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

EggZactly MOW..that's what I'm talking about.

Some folks feel they can require all manner of "standards" an declare that God is goona get you if you don't comply.

That same preacher has never thought it out that if he is with all his great education he recieved at Bible School is wrong on these imposed issues that he will be the one trembling before the throne on judgment day NOT the gal who wears pj's with legs to bed.

SO the question is : do you think that God just hands out free passes to us Apostolics who declare our idea's of standards as salvational or even as a test of fellowship?

Will God just say , oh i no know you sincerley beleived you interpreted that scripture correctly, so come on in.

If He does will God then hand out a free pass tot he mormon;s and Jehovahs Witness for their error of interpretation.

Given my choice (if I was a women): stand before God in pants and trimmed hair and a wedding ring on

OR : stand before God as a preacher who caused someone to stumble over a stumbling block of a miscontrived idea about any "standard" you want to name.

I'd put my bet on the women to hear the words, Enter In

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ten pages so far and I have not seen what I personally know of concerning standards mentioned except in passing.


No woman will be lost over trimming her hair. No scripture says such a thing. Again if loss of salvation occurs over the issue it may be those who teach standards of their own and not of YHWH.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Ten pages so far and I have not seen what I personally know of concerning standards mentioned except in passing.


No woman will be lost over trimming her hair. No scripture says such a thing. Again if loss of salvation occurs over the issue it may be those who teach standards of their own and not of YHWH.

Care to expound on tis oh Wholy Hearted: you seem to imply Michael is crazy?

Care to tell us where in the bible the words appear if a women trims her she will be lost.

Please spare us any quote's from 1 Corinthians.. you know it ain't REALLY in there.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

This question was asked on another forum, and I responded in this manner...

Standards do not make one saved. Standards are fruit. If a saint, in a modest and humble spirit, feels led to dress as a holiness person, then their modesty and holiness will keep them saved, and their standards will be the fruit thereof. I have known non-standards saints who have a right spirit, and they are my brethren, yes. May not agree with them on their dress, but that is between them and the Lord. They have a right spirit, and I believe eventually, the Lord will lead them into some form of standards.

For me, I do not wear shorts, because no human being deserves the pain of seeing my legs. I do not wear jewelry, because it is just not right in my spirit to do so. I do not wear sleeveless shirts, because of the same reason as the shorts. I watch a little TV now and then, but not any of the ungodly mess I see on many channels. I believe a woman should not trim her hair because it is a sign of rebellion in my heart's view. All of these are in my heart, because of the spirit within me.

BP's views are shifting to the left again.

Is it that time of the week already?








Hey BP,

Your web blog is down. Are you updating your beliefs again?