The "Claim to the Name"

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Isn't the love of money the root of all evil? If we expand the definition of money to also include wealth and power we can probably link it to every war ever fought -at least one side since you can probably make the case that one side is usually defending themselves.

I still wouldn't make it absolute by saying that EVERY war is caused by the love of money.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Falla39

...
If a nest of wild hornet were brought to this room
And the critters allowed to go free.
You would not need urging to make yourself scarce,
You'd want to get out, don't you see.

He will not compel you to go, oh no;
He will not compel you to go. He will
Not compel you to go gainst your will,
He'll just make you willing to go.
...

That song goes way back. The only time I actually heard it sung in a church was in northern Illinois (Waukegan or Zion) back in 1955 or maybe 1956. that was either an independent Bible Church or a Baptist Church.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

NOW, your not treating his statement correctly. I don't see it as arrogant, but factual. Also MOW noted that trinitarians had a better understanding of justification, and I would add to that grace.

Its not arrogance, but fact.

I'm sorry, but both you and I would have a very difficult time finding a Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, AofG, on and on and on and on, that would agree. True, I only polled one person today, but he was clearly insulted by the idea that a "Oneness" person would understand what God did in a great way than he would. And I agree with him.

What you see as "Fact" I see as pure demagoguery.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Jesus said, "except a man be born again" and he said "unless one is born of water and of the spirit"

What He did not say is: except a man be born again of water and the spirit.

John 3:1-7

1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That's my point, the song is not necessarily anti-oneness

That's a point being made here.
Folks that consider themselves oneness and folks that consider themselves trinitarian can both sing that song

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Falla39

John 3:1-7

1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

"except a man be born of water and of the Spirit"
and
"that which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit"
all both saying the same thing.
they are contrasting the first birth (of water) with the second birth (of Spirit)

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sam

That song goes way back. The only time I actually heard it sung in a church was in northern Illinois (Waukegan or Zion) back in 1955 or maybe 1956. that was either an independent Bible Church or a Baptist Church.

here is that old song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7go2MQl2LI

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Sam

"except a man be born of water and of the Spirit"
and
"that which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit"
all both saying the same thing.
they are contrasting the first birth (of water) with the second birth (of Spirit)

BeenThinkin

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Sam

That song goes way back. The only time I actually heard it sung in a church was in northern Illinois (Waukegan or Zion) back in 1955 or maybe 1956. that was either an independent Bible Church or a Baptist Church.

Bro. Sam,
Many years ago Theo Harris came to Garland, TX and held a music school.
Some of our family attended. My late father bought one each of his song-
books. There were several. This song "Hornets" was in at least one of the
books. My late pastor father would use that song as an example when saying
that although man/woman may say they are not going to do something, that
GOD has a way of getting people willing. He will not compel you to go gainst
your will. He'll just make you willing to go.

I never heard the melody to the song. Dad would put a little melody to it,
but it was just his version.

Falla39

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Sam

here is that old song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7go2MQl2LI

Thanks, Bro. Sam!
Maybe Theo Harris did sing the melody because this is the same melody
that Dad sang. I just thought he made it up.

Falla39