Ok, Now I Will Plea "Race"...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well as the elected President of the United States, he does rate respect by nature of his position.


I can guarantee that if a Republican had been elected, you would not be making that statement.


It took YEARS for GWB to EARN the disdain by so many Independents, Democrats and some of his own fellow GOP'ers.


YEARS, not months.


There are others who your exact statement based on his race, and they will never respect him as a man or otherwise. This is what I am trying to say.

For some people, his race is the icing on the cake for disrespecting him as the President of the U.S., for some it is the whole cake.

I would say the majority of Americans who criticize him are not racist, as I have already clearly stated, but to do away with his race in describing the tenor of the criticisms leveled at him by more than a few, is disengenious.


Is what I'm saying clear to you?

GWB was disdained by the democrats long before he won. The democrats WERE supporting him until they saw public opinion was against the wars and all of a sudden they responded with stuff like "I voted for the war but they I voted against it" huh? Where was the loyalty to the cause of setting up a democratic government and getting out? rather they were all for getting out now but then when Obama won, did they pull the troops? no. why? Because they knew better than to just pull troops out , though trying to force Bush to do it by playing funny with finances...it's all about politics.

Politicians tend to be opportnists and the democrats are no exception.

It's not about race.

[Jermyn Davidson]

[QUOTE=Praxeas;902891]
This is a red herring. If you want to try the man, do it, but how does this tie into racism or militias? For that matter, why does a Republican have to be loyal to a democrat just because he is president? Loyal to the constitution? Sure, but the president? What does this all have to do with anything? What about Burtha, was he loyal?[/QUOTE]



This is not a red herring, this part of a succession of events that amount to the cause for my anger. This was a clear example of disrespect to President Obama, maybe his actions were NOT motivated by racism or hate, it was motivated by direspect-- proved by his backhanded "compliment" he tried to give the President.

This incident of unwarranted disrespect, what I call subversion, feeds the fire of those who do hate the President because of his race because it justifies the disrespect they have for him based on his race.

In matters political of an international level, DeMint did not just criticize the President, he encouraged the people who toppled a democratically-elected President to stand up to keep going in defiance of the President who in international events, represents America!

DeMint's words and actions were disloyal and subversive, which is one of the definitions of treason.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

GWB was disdained by the democrats long before he won. The democrats WERE supporting him until they saw public opinion was against the wars and all of a sudden they responded with stuff like "I voted for the war but they I voted against it" huh?

Which one is it?

Was he hated before he won or was he hated after public opinion started shifting?


Besides, I make the point again, GWB had to earn what he experienced in his last two years-- he and his fiasco-laden cabinet.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

bingo!!! Some are just in denial.

I'm not one of those people in denial, but some on AFF apparently are.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Democrats are no champions of the middle class and poor. They just act like they are because that is where their votes come from

Recent history says otherwise.

Heck, in the eyes of many, black and white, Healthcare Reform was all about helping the middle class and the poor, but who stood against it (generally speaking)?

Outside of Steele, what was the race of the talking heads speaking against reform but perceived as not giving any other viable solution?


Everyone poor American citizen has already seen a variety of Democrats who look like them, who favor positions that favor them, and take the time to SHOW compassion for them. Many American minorites, (including many blacks) look at the Democrats with pride and at the GOP with disgust because of a earned perception-- earned, not necessarily deserved, but definitely earned.



This is part of what I was alluding to, but this is not the reason I started this thread.

[Jermyn Davidson]

For the record, I am not a die hard supporter of trickle down economics, but Democrats in power on the LOCAL AND STATE LEVEL could sure do alot more more to attract businesses to their areas.

Cases in point: Detroit, Rochester and Baltimore.

Michigan is making a national effort to bring jobs to their state, but to the UP; I haven't seen anything for Detroit, but I am sure they are doing more than New York and Maryland.


I believe Detroit and Rochester has been on the list of America's top ten "Dying Cities" for several years now.

If not for Washington, DC, Baltimore would be on that list too.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No, "most legal scholars" did not question the way it was done. You made that part up. Either issuing the arrest warrant was a Constitutional act by the Supreme Court of Honduras or it wasn't.

I have proven that I did not make this up in a previous post on this thread, with weblinks to support.

Originally Posted by pelathais

I see though that you have taken a big step back from your charges of "treason."

I stand by and have proven my assertion that (R-SC) Senator DeMint's actions amounts to nothing short of treason.

Originally Posted by pelathais

Carville did not coin that phrase for Clinton and Carville was not calling Clinton "stupid." Carville put up the banner to focus the media on the 1992 economy and recession and not on the long line of women that Clinton had philandered with.

Praxeas posted information that disproves your point and established what I remember from Middle School Social Studies-- we talked about all of this in class.

Originally Posted by pelathais

Do you have some sort of polling data concerning McCain/Feingold? You're making an unsubstantiated claim here about "Americans at the time." The decision wasn't "controversial" - it was expected. McCain/Feingold clearly violated the First Amendment and legal pundits on both the left and the right all saw it being overturned.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1137

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/21602 (interesting read, though biased)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

This is not a red herring, this part of a succession of events that amount to the cause for my anger. This was a clear example of disrespect to President Obama, maybe his actions were NOT motivated by racism or hate, it was motivated by direspect-- proved by his backhanded "compliment" he tried to give the President.

The title of the thread is "Now I will plea Race"...so it is red herring. Now had you titled it "Now I will plead Disrespect", that would be different.

Why does that make you so angry that you are willing to use the race card? As I said, this is politics. Were you this angry when Bush was disrespected? Clinton?

This incident of unwarranted disrespect, what I call subversion, feeds the fire of those who do hate the President because of his race because it justifies the disrespect they have for him based on his race.

You think any black folks hated Bush cuz he was white? How about the Nation of Islam? Where you angry with them when they tried to accuse Bush of intentionally trying to harm black folks in New Orleans?

In matters political of an international level, DeMint did not just criticize the President, he encouraged the people who toppled a democratically-elected President to stand up to keep going in defiance of the President who in international events, represents America!

DeMint's words and actions were disloyal and subversive, which is one of the definitions of treason.

Again, has nothing to do with race

[sbo1971]

Just be honest about this and quit running in circles, you think that all disagreement and disdain for Obama is becuase he is (HALF) Black. I have some news for you, Obama is just as racist as the people that you are pointing your finger at and calling racist. Get over the color of someone's skin and get on with life.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Recent history says otherwise.

Heck, in the eyes of many, black and white, Healthcare Reform was all about helping the middle class and the poor, but who stood against it (generally speaking)?

Outside of Steele, what was the race of the talking heads speaking against reform but perceived as not giving any other viable solution?


Everyone poor American citizen has already seen a variety of Democrats who look like them, who favor positions that favor them, and take the time to SHOW compassion for them. Many American minorites, (including many blacks) look at the Democrats with pride and at the GOP with disgust because of a earned perception-- earned, not necessarily deserved, but definitely earned.

This is part of what I was alluding to, but this is not the reason I started this thread.

"In the eyes of"...that is my whole point. In THEIR eyes, which is how the Democrats play to them, they are the champions of the poor. But is that reailty? Who uses the race card the most? Democrats. Why? Because they hope to get more minorities to vote for them

BTW there were a lot of democrats standing against it. Republicans have said they are for health care reform but not this particular bill. They had their own ideas too for health care reform that went largely ignored.

BTW once again you made this a race issue. Your argument goes "If you are white, you hate the poor and the minorities, which are mostly poor, because it was mostly whites that opposed this bill"...you might not agree but that does sound like what you are implying when all things are considered from what you just said