For those that left the UPC... - Page 10

mfblume · #1 05-22-2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

there are those that still follow the leading of the Spirit
and they have no problem with wearing their hair uncut.

Something is awry. If following the Spirit means a woman will not cut her hair to "have long hair," does that mean a man is following the Spirit when he lets hair grow down his back and ensures it is trimmed and cut every so often so it is not "long/uncut"?

My point is that the Spirit and the Word agree. If a man cannot have hair down his back so long as he keeps it trimmed, then LONG does not equal UNCUT. NO amount of Spirit will lead one to think otherwise.

My opinion, anyway.

On another note, in regards to the "100% UPC" term that another person used, that scares me. I have never been nor am "100% any man-made organization". Saying we are 100% SOMETHING means we will believe whatever they teach whether we study it or not, or at least study the bible by LOOKING for what the fellowship teaches and not really looking for what the Bible actually is saying.

I am 100% Kingdom of God.

Sam · #2 05-22-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

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On another note, in regards to the "100% UPC" term that another person used, that scares me. I have never been nor am "100% any man-made organization". Saying we are 100% SOMETHING means we will believe whatever they teach whether we study it or not, or at least study the bible by LOOKING for what the fellowship teaches and not really looking for what the Bible actually is saying.

I am 100% Kingdom of God.

100 percent UPC means completely willing to drink the kool aid with no questions asked. What ever happened with following the preacher/leader/pope only as long as he follows Christ the Word?

*AQuietPlace* · #3 05-22-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Something is awry. If following the Spirit means a woman will not cut her hair to "have long hair," does that mean a man is following the Spirit when he lets hair grow down his back and ensures it is trimmed and cut every so often so it is not "long/uncut"?

My point is that the Spirit and the Word agree. If a man cannot have hair down his back so long as he keeps it trimmed, then LONG does not equal UNCUT. NO amount of Spirit will lead one to think otherwise.

My opinion, anyway.

On another note, in regards to the "100% UPC" term that another person used, that scares me. I have never been nor am "100% any man-made organization". Saying we are 100% SOMETHING means we will believe whatever they teach whether we study it or not, or at least study the bible by LOOKING for what the fellowship teaches and not really looking for what the Bible actually is saying.

I am 100% Kingdom of God.

Falla39 · #4 05-22-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Something is awry. If following the Spirit means a woman will not cut her hair to "have long hair," does that mean a man is following the Spirit when he lets hair grow down his back and ensures it is trimmed and cut every so often so it is not "long/uncut"?

My point is that the Spirit and the Word agree. If a man cannot have hair down his back so long as he keeps it trimmed, then LONG does not equal UNCUT. NO amount of Spirit will lead one to think otherwise.

My opinion, anyway.

On another note, in regards to the "100% UPC" term that another person used, that scares me. I have never been nor am "100% any man-made organization". Saying we are 100% SOMETHING means we will believe whatever they teach whether we study it or not, or at least study the bible by LOOKING for what the fellowship teaches and not really looking for what the Bible actually is saying.

I am 100% Kingdom of God.

Bro. Blume,
You know good and well that I know and you know I know, that following the leading of the Spirit entails a lot more than just "hair".
The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, peace and joy,
in the Holy Ghost.
You can always tell those who are following after God and His Word and those who are following after another man/men. When the man/men change, those following change also.
Blessings,
Falla39

Sam · #5 05-22-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

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My in-laws took to the new stuff (Three Stepper "Water & Spirit" salvation, no pants on women and no uncut on women) with all the zeal of new converts. But every time the old family picture books came out there were many inevitable questions. I especially like the pics of the church picnics where all of the Pentecostal ladies are wearing slacks and have trimmed bangs. Then I'd pull out a recent Pentecostal Herald and see the same ladies, older now and with their hair done up in beehive fashion.

It's really sad, isn't it? There is a whole generation who have no idea that the prohibition on women's slacks and the prohibition on jewelry and the prohibition on women trimming or cutting their hair is actually "new" Pentecost and not the "old paths." Also, the insistence on water and Spirit baptism as being the "new birth" or "birth of water and Spirit" is one of the newer innovations and was not "old time" Apostolic or Pentecostal.

Sabby · #6 09-20-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

It's really sad, isn't it? There is a whole generation who have no idea that the prohibition on women's slacks and the prohibition on jewelry and the prohibition on women trimming or cutting their hair is actually "new" Pentecost and not the "old paths." Also, the insistence on water and Spirit baptism as being the "new birth" or "birth of water and Spirit" is one of the newer innovations and was not "old time" Apostolic or Pentecostal.

AMEN

ILG · #7 09-20-2010, 12:49 PM

Jesus Himself said in the book of Matthew to be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. I wonder if Jesus was messed up about His theology when He said that. I mean, the NAME is supposed to be Jesus, right? So, if a pastor baptizes saying I baptize you in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, after someone believes in that name, I would suppose he was baptizing in that name, right?

But, if someone wants to create an exclusive doctrine, they ignore that baptizing in the name is baptizing in the name, while saying that the name is Jesus and that name must be uttered for efficacy. I guess Jesus said those words to confuse people, so He could laugh when they got it wrong, according to some.

noeticknight · #8 05-22-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

My in-laws took to the new stuff (Three Stepper "Water & Spirit" salvation, no pants on women and no uncut on women) with all the zeal of new converts. But every time the old family picture books came out there were many inevitable questions. I especially like the pics of the church picnics where all of the Pentecostal ladies are wearing slacks and have trimmed bangs. Then I'd pull out a recent Pentecostal Herald and see the same ladies, older now and with their hair done up in beehive fashion.

Good stuff. It just proves that even the UPCI isn't "100%" UPCI.

Mirth1981 · #9 05-22-2010, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by longhairgirl

Well, I have to say that I am 100% UPC. I just joined today, and will probably leave since I was under the impression that this was a UPC forum, and it is not (oops). I was really just looking for some fellowship like I have with my girlfriends after church, so this is not for me.

But I do feel compelled to respond to your post. From the other side. As I have said, I am 100% UPC...I was not raised in church, I've been to every church under the sun and studied everything from Buddist to Wicca. When the Lord found me, I knew this was the real thing

So, I joined the church at age 21, and got married at age 24. A year later, my husband left the church. I was devasted. I cried and cried to the Lord, I did things the "right" way...and my husband leaves the church! It was very hard on me and my child (I have 3 children now). My greatest concern was for my children...you see, I love this church, its standards, its doctrine. I want my children to love it too. Thank the Lord my husband has now been back in church for 2 years!

I say all this to say that I really admire your concern for your husband. I would hate for your objection to standards to drive a wedge into your family. It's sooooo hard for someone who tries to keep the churches standards to live with someone not in church. Keep on praying about this, and talk to your husband about his concerns. Coming from his point of view, its very scary when your other half leaves the church. I still have things in my house (TV....I can't stand it!) that haven't left from when my husband was out of church. Some things are not easily undone.

I hope I have not offended you in any way...I simply speak from the heart as one who has been on the other side. Your family will be in my prayers.

Hi longhairgirl,

I appreciate your prayers...You have not been offensive to me at all. You sound very sincere and I respect where you're coming from. I understand.

glorians · #10 05-22-2010, 01:14 AM

Every church, whether oneness or trinitarian, protestant or catholics, islam or christian, believers or non-believers, atheist or theist... ALL HAVE STANDARDS AND RULES IN THEIR ORGANIZATIONS, SECTS, DENOMINATION OR GROUP....

There's a big difference when u say, I don't agree with such standard VIA I can't stand (obey) the standards anymore......

search within your heart which one is which then it'll be easier for you to now ur real state.

first things first.. then, i'll move on.....