Let's talk about Baptism.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

This thread certainly has showed where people really stand on doctrine.

If one doesn't not believe Jesus Name baptism is the only correct method of baptism & essential to the salvation plan....
-to quote a friend "They are as lost as two boys kissing"

Two boys kissing? What's that supposed to mean? The Scripture says to greet one another with a holy kiss. I'm assuming you mean gay men, but to be honest, your profiling of people is no different than using race to describe a fallen human being.

Show me one place where Jesus ever portrayed such an attitude to the sexually debased. He reached to them with compassion, while you stone them with mocking allegations. I recently had a talk with a gay friend. He broke down, telling me how his father hated him as a young boy. He told me; even today his father despises him and it is commonly known that numerous men and women turn to this lifestyle because of a poor upbringing. Many gay people would confide in us about the cruel backgrounds they’ve been through if we’ll find it in our hearts to love them.

My wife was molested for 9 years by her father, starting when she was an infant. When I met her over 30 years ago, she did not trust men and was bitter. It took years of patience and love to help her scarred mind recover from such atrocity.

It's statements such as these that drive people away from Apostolic Churches.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Timmy

So if you, as the baptizee, called on the name of the Lord, does it even matter what the baptizer says?

Nope. He's not the source of my salvation.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

This thread certainly has showed where people really stand on doctrine.

If one doesn't not believe Jesus Name baptism is the only correct method of baptism & essential to the salvation plan....
-to quote a friend "They are as lost as two boys kissing"

What if you are baptized in Jesus name but dont believe its the ONLY way??!

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by allstate1

What if you are baptized in Jesus name but dont believe its the ONLY way??!

If you don't believe Jesus being the only way, then why would you be baptized in his name? I am baptized in Jesus name and believe he is the only way to get to heaven...his titles describe him...his name is what we call on. Too many scriptures to reference on that and everyone here knows what they are anyway...why refuse the name? What's the point of insisting on the titles and not taking the name in baptism?

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Two boys kissing? What's that supposed to mean? The Scripture says to greet one another with a holy kiss. I'm assuming you mean gay men, but to be honest, your profiling of people is no different than using race to describe a fallen human being.

Show me one place where Jesus ever portrayed such an attitude to the sexually debased. He reached to them with compassion, while you stone them with mocking allegations. I recently had a talk with a gay friend. He broke down, telling me how his father hated him as a young boy. He told me; even today his father despises him and it is commonly known that numerous men and women turn to this lifestyle because of a poor upbringing. Many gay people would confide in us about the cruel backgrounds they’ve been through if we’ll find it in our hearts to love them.

My wife was molested for 9 years by her father, starting when she was an infant. When I met her over 30 years ago, she did not trust men and was bitter. It took years of patience and love to help her scarred mind recover from such atrocity.

It's statements such as these that drive people away from Apostolic Churches.

I don't think that would constitute a stoning...homosexuality was not embraced by Jesus...no scripture on that at all...the homosexual may be embraced by Jesus in repentance...but sin is sin...never embraced by Him at all. It's mostly the preaching against sin that drives sinners away from Apostolic churches....to run to a place where their sins are embraced being tickled in their itching ears...without any change.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

If you don't believe Jesus being the only way, then why would you be baptized in his name? I am baptized in Jesus name and believe he is the only way to get to heaven...his titles describe him...his name is what we call on. Too many scriptures to reference on that and everyone here knows what they are anyway...why refuse the name? What's the point of insisting on the titles and not taking the name in baptism?

I am baptized in Jesus name also!! But I am not sure that the ONLY way!! Am I lost!??!?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

If you don't believe Jesus being the only way, then why would you be baptized in his name? I am baptized in Jesus name and believe he is the only way to get to heaven...his titles describe him...his name is what we call on. Too many scriptures to reference on that and everyone here knows what they are anyway...why refuse the name? What's the point of insisting on the titles and not taking the name in baptism?

The guilt trip stuff gets old. NO ONE THAT IS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST IS REFUSING THE NAME OF JESUS. Likewise those baptized that way all believe that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven.

I'll go ahead and give another of my opinions. Apostolics are so hard on Jesus name baptism for the sole reason that because if Jesus name is how baptism must administered then this affirms the oneness message.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Timmy

To do something "in the name of" someone is to be an agent of that person. You are authorized to act on his behalf. If the Oneness tenet is correct that Jesus is the name of the Father and is the name of the Son and is the name of the Holy Ghost, then you guys are correct that baptizing in Jesus' name is the same (i.e., is obeying the command) as baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. But then, it would also be correct (i.e., it is also obeying the command) to say the words "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". If one is right, they are both right.

Personally, I find it really hard to believe that God is confused about who the preacher means if he lists the "offices" instead of says the name "Jesus". I think He's smarter than that.

Timmy,
You take your check to the bank and see if it's the same. Sign it father,
husband, and son. You may fill the offices of all three titles, but it want
get you the money. Why not just use your name! Why skirt around the
issue. The Apostles knew how to baptize because Jesus open their under=
standing that they might understand the scriptures.
Reminds me of a bunch of kids. Tell them to do something and some want to
do just the opposite of what you tell. "Can't we just do it this way" or "Why
can't we just ....whatever". Just obey what those/the one in authority says
to do and the way you were told to do it!!!Don't argue! Jesus was the ONE
who commanded to baptize in A NAME! AND WHOSE NAME!

Blessings,

Falla39

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by allstate1

I am baptized in Jesus name also!! But I am not sure that the ONLY way!! Am I lost!??!?

When you were baptized in Jesus name did you have any confusion of who He is? Having the revelation of who He is I see no other way to be baptized than in Jesus name...giving Him glory....the name that is above every name.

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Timmy,
You take your check to the bank and see if it's the same. Sign it father,
husband, and son. You may fill the offices of all three titles, but it want
get you the money. Why not just use your name! Why skirt around the
issue. The Apostles knew how to baptize because Jesus open their under=
standing that they might understand the scriptures.
Reminds me of a bunch of kids. Tell them to do something and some want to
do just the opposite of what you tell. "Can't we just do it this way" or "Why
can't we just ....whatever". Just obey what those/the one in authority says
to do and the way you were told to do it!!!Don't argue! Jesus was the ONE
who commanded to baptize in A NAME! AND WHOSE NAME!

Blessings,

Falla39

Praise the Lord someone has sense around here..in Jesus name!