Were The Israelites Black?

[Coffee99]

Originally Posted by seekerman

This has nothing to do with the allegation that Black Africans were Israelites. Egyptians were not Black Africans, you find those in sub-Saharan equatorial Africa.

Your lack of education and knowledge is astounding. Before you define where "Black" Africans live, perhaps you should learn something of the continent and its people.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by DAII

There are white Africans in South Africa especially, Praxeas ...

Yes, he's a bigot.

There are now...great culture we had, going to other countries and taking over

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

This has nothing to do with the allegation that Black Africans were Israelites. Egyptians were not Black Africans, you find those in sub-Saharan equatorial Africa.

See? Red herring. Egyptians were not black africans? Where they black? Good grief. Egypt is on the continent "Africa"... do some research.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...aper-text.html

Please read about the black pharoah's

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

See? Red herring. Egyptians were not black africans? Where they black? Good grief. Egypt is on the continent "Africa"... do some research.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...aper-text.html

Please read about the black pharoah's

The Nubian pyramids of Sudan

[DAII]

An obelisk of Ethiopian Axum



Tombs of Meroe (Ethiopia)

[Praxeas]

And Egypt as a civilization predated Israel

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by seekerman

The Israelites couldn't have been Black. The Black culture in Africa has never produced much of anything of cultural value including a written language. The Israelites accomplished far too much socially, economically and culturally for them to have been Black.

seekerman,

Your idea that the Israelites couldn't have been black in color is not the issue here. The issue is what you said above, which is blatantly offensive (and ignorant, which has been illustrated by the more informed posts on this thread).

The reverse logic you use from that premise to prove that Israelites couldn't have been black because they "accomplished far too much" is equally offensive.

First of all, do you realize that you're categorizing people by their color rather than by their geographic locale? That alone causes your statement to be full of holes. Secondly, since there are people who are black in color who come from other places than just isolated *tribal* areas of Africa, it's quite easy to show how black Africans have heavily contributed socially, economically and culturally.

It could also be argued that any group contributes to the world culturally, due to their unique dynamics, even if they are primitive. To not be able to appreciate a culture just because they may not have a written language, for instance, shows some shortsightedness that needs to be addressed. "Primitive" and "worthless" aren't interchangeable terms.

It's really hard to move past the initial statements you made and discuss whether the guys in DA's photo are truly Israelites.

You didn't just say "these guys aren't really Israelites because Israelites didn't originate in the part of Africa where people have dark skin color"; you said...well, I bolded it above. No need for a repeat.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Bump!

In fact I bet you can't name 3.

Well, they do drive slow. Whoa! Don't go there!

Since Mesopotamia is in the continent of Asia, I'd have to say that "Asians" have contributed civilization to civilization.

We wouldn't have the math system that we have today if it weren't for the Indians.

Gunpowder, silk worms and spaghetti noodles from China - there's three right there.

Oh, wait. You asked the "history expert" - seekerman. Sorry.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

See? Red herring. Egyptians were not black africans? Where they black? Good grief. Egypt is on the continent "Africa"... do some research.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...aper-text.html

Please read about the black pharoah's

You are correct Prax. The qualifications for Pharaoh stipulated nothing about the color of his skin. He just had to be able to run this crazy obstacle course once every few years (true story).

That, and he had to be the most powerful dude (or dudette!) in the Nile Valley. Over the long course of Egyptian history people of so many different "races" sat on the throne that modern folk have even begun to add "space aliens" to the list. The Twenty-Fifth Dynasty was the Nubian Dynasty, though the "race mixing" had been rife since at least 30,000 BC.

[pelathais]

This whole thing about "race" is just so typical, and so disappointing. AND - I know none of you boneheads are reading my posts of wisdom on this topic - except Frogger - but he's an amphibian.

The modern construct of "race," as in "There are three races of man on the planet - the Black race from darkest Africa, the Yellow or Mongoloid race of the Orient and the great White race preserved by God's grace..." is simply a bunch of Victorian ignorance. The same kind of ignorance that gave us woolen suits for tropical wear and the Penny-Farthing bicycle.

Who's to say that "Black Africans" from 'sub-Saharan Africa' constitute a separate race at all? Consider the Australian aboriginals...

"Ah!" you unlearned will say, "The Australian aborigines ARE 'Black Africans' - they just exported themselves some how." Are they really?

Genetically, the closest populations to the Australian aborigines are the... get this... "Caucasian" Ainu peoples who were the "original" inhabitants of Japan - AND - the Tierre del Fuego Indians of Chile and Argentina. "Black Africans" are much further distant "cousins." Here is a "race" of people who exist within three distinct "color phases" or adaptations. "Black" in Australia and New Guinea, "white" in Japan, Manchuria and Russia, and "red(?)" in the Americas. Yet genetically, all one "race."

How many other "races" of people have come and gone? How many still exist among us but are hidden by our prejudices? The Neanderthals actually had larger brains than homo sapiens, but they were "low browed cavemen;" but then again, so are my neighbors down the street. Neanderthals clearly lived in close proximity with our ancestors and may even have intermarried (that's been "disproved" and then "reproved" - but remains uncertain, however we do share a common ancestor with them). Where did the Neanderthals go? And why? Or did they "go?"

The notions of "Afro-Centricism" that seekerman appears to have been trying to react against are false. The Hebrews were not "Black." The ancient Egyptians were not Black, most of the time, but they were sometimes, and now the modern ones can have all sorts of traits - just like everybody else and probably just like the ancients as well.

The assertions that any particular "race" has not made any "contributions to civilizations" betrays an ignorance of both "race" and civilization.