How the TSA shakes down a fully armed squad

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by sandie

I'm glad he has lawyers to do it pro bono.

Me too. This is one of the biggest news stories out there right now. I hope he takes this to the fullest extent possible.

[Digging4Truth]

Here is a news clip on the story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHer5ZhUg6U

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Me too. This is one of the biggest news stories out there right now. I hope he takes this to the fullest extent possible.

If as a nation, we not only relinquish our rights but also hand over all sense of fairness, we may never be able to hold the authorities accountable.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Pizza Hut and Taco Bell come nowhere close. Stand up and deliver Coadie. I do this for a living. You said it, now demonstrate that you know what you're talking about.

The standards on on the web site. Have you finished high school?

The TSA hires temps. That means they are limited to the unemployed or near unemployed. Good workers don't leave ordinary jobs to work as a temp for 8 dollars an hour and hope to become permanent in a year.

Low end of the bell curve. $17,083

3 bucks an hour under Home Depot.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Below are parts 1-4 of the video John Tyner took. The TSA has said that they plan on filing a civil law suit and fining John for either $10k or $11k.

John has lawyers lined up to do the case pro bono. He will fight it if TSA actual files the suits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23g0hobOLRE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm-MvbfVPME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEOM-9g73fM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ds5t7E1eXE

This guy knows that they'd have to perform a full body pat down. He left his camera on and caused a scene. I don't think he has a case.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by sandie

If as a nation, we not only relinquish our rights but also hand over all sense of fairness, we may never be able to hold the authorities accountable.

Right. As is being said now after the heroic actions of John Tyner... if we will let the government grope us and not say anything... is there anything we won't let the government do.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Ferd

if you are just driving and a cop decides to pull you over he had better have some probable cause.

cops can invent probable cause... they do have to provide their reasoning.

A few cops I know say they think your liscense plate bulb was burnt out.

[Digging4Truth]

Another great news clip on the story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyLWdpRUYE8

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by sandie

So then my point that driving may indeed be a privilage just like flying, but my car can't be searched without probable cause, is valid at least to some extent?

What then is the probabe cause for TSA to scan and do pat down searches?
Shouldn't we be aware of what those are?

we are back to Aquila's argument that I agree with... to a point.

the better analogy is with Miranda.

You have certain rights extended by the constituion. However, you can choose to surrender those rights volentarily.

With flying, you surrender your right not to be searched as a term of use.

Where i have an issue is that TSA as a government agency should have stricter standards for search than a private company has....

further my issue (which of course is the one I find to be more important,) is we are talking about inneffective and ineffecient methods when there are far better options.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

we are back to Aquila's argument that I agree with... to a point.

the better analogy is with Miranda.

You have certain rights extended by the constituion. However, you can choose to surrender those rights volentarily.

With flying, you surrender your right not to be searched as a term of use.

Where i have an issue is that TSA as a government agency should have stricter standards for search than a private company has....

further my issue (which of course is the one I find to be more important,) is we are talking about inneffective and ineffecient methods when there are far better options.

I stood at checkpoint for about 13 minutes a little bit ago. I saw dozens of passengers going through screening. Saw one pat down. They seemed to be cordially talking. The screener cleared the man and he was on his way to board a safe flight. I saw no issues. A lot of this stuff is just hype. If you consider how many THOUSANDS are going through airport screening right now and compare the handful of complaints... you'll realize that we're just dealing with a moody minority that only wants 15 minutes of fame.