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Why are you guys giving this man space and advertisement? Seriously, this man and his beliefs are heretical. Took me many years to finally shake his influence off of me. Reckart's spirit is spiritual poison to those who follow him. Yes, he is Oneness, and he is Acts 2:38. However, he has now joined with atheists and cults in denying the authenticity and validity of the Word of God.
Oh, and houston, you seem to love castigating me at every turn. Since we live in the same city, how about we get together and instead of you attacking me personally, you meet me face to face and you get to know the real me.
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Re: Crazy Stuff from Reckart followers and their l
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Praxeas you are a smart guy so let me just give a little common sense here. It would not matter what language you were studying French-Spanish-Greek-Hebrew-etc. you are not going to be as accurate as those who read and speak the language. It is simple. I spent several days in 3 different libraries and could not find any Jews considered scholars who embraced the Yahweh theory. It is a fanciful teaching that has found it way into "Christianity" by English speaking scholars NOT Jews.
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Steve, This is from the Jewish Encyclopedia. Please read it then I will also provide a list of the scholars on board for this work
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/ar...of-god#anchor2
YHWH. Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, Yhwh (  ), the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel. This name is commonly represented in modern translations by the form "Jehovah," which, however, is a philological impossibility ( see Jehovah). This form has arisen through attempting to pronounce the consonants of the name with the vowels of Adonai (  = "Lord"), which the Masorites have inserted in the text, indicating thereby that Adonai was to be read (as a "ḳeri perpetuum") instead of Yhwh. When the name Adonai itself precedes, to avoid repetition of this name, Yhwh is written by the Masorites with the vowels of Elohim, in which case Elohim is read instead of Yhwh. In consequence of this Masoretic reading the authorized and revised English versions (though not the American edition of the revised version) render Yhwh by the word "Lord" in the great majority of cases.
This name, according to the narrative in Ex. iii. (E), was made known to Moses in a vision at Horeb. In another, parallel narrative (Ex. vi. 2, 3, P) it is stated that the name was not known to the Patriarchs. It is used by one of the documentary sources of Genesis (J), but scarcely if at all by the others. Its use is avoided by some later writers also. It does not occur in Ecclesiastes, and in Daniel is found only in ch. ix. The writer of Chronicles shows a preference for the form Elohim, and in Ps. xlii.-lxxxiii. Elohim occurs much more frequently than Yhwh, probably having been substituted in some places for the latter name, as in Ps. liii. (comp. Ps. xiv.).
In appearance, Yhwh ( ) is the third person singular imperfect "ḳal" of the verb  ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being,probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am" (  , from  , the later equivalent of the archaic stem  ). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "ḥai Yhwh" (= "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).
If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh ( ) or Yahaweh ( ). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (  ) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (  =  ), and Jo or Yo (  , contracted from  ), which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (  ) in the second part of such names.
The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry  rimes with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name 'Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί, and Origen, 'Iα. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε. At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render δκύριος ("the Lord").
Various conjectures have been made in recent times respecting a possible foreign origin of this name. Some derive it from the Kenites, with whom Moses sojourned, Sinai, the ancient dwelling-place of Yhwh, having been, according to the oldest tradition, in the Kenite country. A Canaanite, and, again, a Babylonian, origin have been proposed, but upon grounds which are still uncertain. Various explanations of the meaning of the name, differing from that given above, have been proposed: e.g., (1) that it is derived from  ("to fall"), and originally designated some sacred object, such as a stone, possibly an acrolite, which was believed to have fallen from heaven; (2) or from  ("to blow"), a name for the god of wind and storm; (3) or from the "hif'il" form of  ("to be"), meaning, "He who causes to be," "the Creator"; (4) or from the same root, with the meaning "to fall," "He who causes to fall" the rain and the thunderbolt—"the storm-god." The first explanation, following Ex. iii. 14, is, on the whole, to be preferred.
Divine Names in Print.
Awe at the sacredness of the names of God and eagerness to manifest respect and reverence for them made the scribes pause before copying them. The text of the Scriptures was of course left unchanged; but in the Targumim the name Yhwh was replaced by two "yods" with a "waw" over them,
The following names and transcriptions of the names of God are found in rabbinical writings (the names mentioned in the Bible also are not given):
For the Name of Yhwh.
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Steve not only does this recognize Yahweh it also recognizes YHWH where you said that was wrong
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07-24-2012, 01:52 PM
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Re: Crazy Stuff from Reckart followers and their l
Now in the following list Im sure you will detect a few Jewish people on board. Surely, knowing their own language BETTER than a Christian can they would have corrected this grave mistake
EDITORIAL BOARD
CYRUS ADLER, Ph.D. (Departments of Post-Biblical Antiquities and the Jews of America.) President of the American Jewish Historical Society; Assistant Secretary, Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D. C.
WILHELM BACHER, Ph.D. (Departments of the Talmud and Rabbinical Literature.) Professor in the Jewish Theological Seminary, Budapest, Hungary.
GOTTHARD DEUTSCH, Ph.D. (Department of History from 1492 to 1906.) Professor of Jewish History, Hebrew Union College, Cincinnati, Ohio; Editor of "Deborah."
RICHARD GOTTHEIL, Ph.D. (Departments of History from Ezra to 1492 and History of Post-Talmudic Literature.) Professor of Semitic Languages, Columbia University, New York; Chief of the Oriental Department, New York Public Library.
EMIL G. HIRSCH, Ph.D., LL.D. (Department of the Bible.) Rabbi of Chicago Sinai Congregation, Chicago, Ill.; Professor of Rabbinical Literature and Philosophy, University of Chicago; Editor of "The Reform Advocate."
JOSEPH JACOBS, B.A. (Departments of the Jews of England and Anthropology; Revising Editor.) Formerly President of the Jewish Historical Society of England; Author of "Jews of Angevin England," etc.
KAUFMANN KOHLER, Ph.D. (Departments of Theology and Philosophy.) President of Hebrew Union College, Cincinnati, Ohio; Rabbi Emeritus of Temple Beth-El, New York.
HERMAN ROSENTHAL. (Department of the Jews of Russia and Poland.) Chief of the Slavonic Department, New York Public Library.
ISIDORE SINGER, Ph.D. Managing Editor. (Department of Modern Biography from 1750 to 1906.)
CRAWFORD HOWELL TOY, D.D., LL.D. (Departments of Hebrew Philology and Hellenistic Literature.) Professor of Hebrew in Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass.; Author of "The Religion of Israel," etc.
I. K. FUNK, D.D., LL.D. (Chairman of the Board.) Editor-in-Chief of the Standard Dictionary of the English Language, etc.
FRANK H. VIZETELLY, F.S.A. (Secretary of the Board.) Associate Editor of the Standard Dictionary; Author of "The Preparation of Manuscripts for the Printer," etc.
WILLIAM POPPER, M.A., Ph.D. (Associate Revising Editor; Chief of the Bureau of Translation.) Instructor in Semitic Languages, University of California, Berkeley, Cal.; Author of "The Censorship of Hebrew Books."
AMERICAN BOARD OF CONSULTING EDITORS
BERNARD DRACHMAN, Ph.D. Rabbi of the Congregation Zichron Ephraim; Instructor in the Bible and in Hebrew Grammar, Jewish Theological Seminary of America, New York.
B. FELSENTHAL, Ph.D. Rabbi Emeritus of Zion Congregation, Chicago, Ill.; Author of "A Practical Grammar of the Hebrew Language."
GUSTAV GOTTHEIL, Ph.D. (Deceased) Late Rabbi Emeritus of Temple Emanu-El, New York.
HENRY HYVERNAT, D.D. Head of the Department of Semitic and Egyptian Literatures, Catholic University of America, Washington, D. C.
MARCUS JASTROW, Ph.D. (Deceased) Late Rabbi Emeritus of the Congregation Rodef Shalom, Philadelphia, Pa.; Author of "Dictionary of the Talmud."
MORRIS JASTROW, Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Semitic Languages and Librarian in the University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pa.; Author of "Religion of the Babylonians and Assyrians," etc.
J. FREDERIC McCURDY, Ph.D., LL.D. Professor of Oriental Languages, University College, Toronto, Canada; Author of "History, Prophecy, and the Monuments."
H. PEREIRA MENDES, M.D. Rabbi of the Shearith Israel Congregation (Spanish and Portuguese), New York; President of the Board of Jewish Ministers, New York.
MOSES MIELZINER, Ph.D., D.D. (Deceased) Late President of the Hebrew Union College, Cincinnati, Ohio; Author of "Introduction to the Talmud."
GEORGE F. MOORE, M.A., D.D. Professor of Biblical Literature and the History of Religions in Harvard University Cambridge, Mass.; Author of "A Commentary on the Book of Judges," etc.
DAVID PHILIPSON, D.D. Rabbi of the Congregation B'ne Israel; Professor of Homiletics, Hebrew Union College, Cincinnati, Ohio; President of Hebrew Sabbath School Union of America.
IRA MAURICE PRICE, B.D., Ph.D. Professor of Semitic Languages and Literatures, University of Chicago, Ill., Author of "The Monuments and the Old Testament," etc.
SOLOMON SCHECHTER, M.A., Litt.D. President of the Faculty of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, New York; Author of "Studies in Judaism."
JOSEPH SILVERMAN, D.D. President of Central Conference of American Rabbis; Rabbi of Temple Emanu-El, New York.of the Congregation Emanu-El, San Francisco, Cal.; Professor of Semitic Languages and Literatures, University of California, Berkeley, Cal.
FOREIGN BOARD OF CONSULTING EDITORS
ISRAEL ABRAHAMS, M.A. Coeditor of "The Jewish Quarterly Review"; Author of "Jewish Life in the Middle Ages," etc.; Reader in Talmudic, Cambridge University, England.
M. BRANN, Ph.D. Professor in the Jewish Theological Seminary, Breslau, Germany; Editor of "Monatsschrift füCr Geschichte und Wissenschaft des Judenthums."
H. BRODY, Ph.D. Rabbi, Nachod, Bohemia, Austria; Coeditor of "Zeitschrift für Hebräische Bibliographie."
ABRAHAM DANON Principal of the Jewish Theological Seminary, Constantinople, Turkey.
HARTWIG DERENBOURG, Ph.D. Professor of Literal Arabic at the Special School of Oriental Languages, Paris; Member of the Institut de France.
S. M. DUBNOW Author of "Istoriya Yevreyev," Wilna, Russia.
MICHAEL FRIEDLÄNDER, Ph.D. Principal of Jews' College, London, England; Author of "The Jewish Religion," etc.
IGNAZ GOLDZIHER, Ph.D. Professor of Semitic Philology, University of Budapest, Hungary.
M. GÜDEMANN, Ph.D. Chief Rabbi of Vienna, Austria.
BARON DAVID GÜNZBURG St. Petersburg, Russia.
A. DE HARKAVY, Ph.D. Chief of the Hebrew Department of the Imperial Public Library, St. Petersburg, Russia.
ZADOC KAHN Chief Rabbi of France, Honorary President of the Alliance Israélite Universelle; Officer of the Legion of Honor, Paris, France.
M. KAYSERLING, Ph.D. (Deceased) Late Rabbi, Budapest, Hungary; Late Corresponding Member of the Royal Academy of History, Madrid, Spain.
MORITZ LAZARUS, Ph.D. (Deceased) Late Professor Emeritus of Psychology, University of Berlin; Meran, Austria.
ANATOLE LEROY-BEAULIEU Member of the Institut de France; Professor at the Free School of Political Science, Paris, France; Author of "Israël chez les Nations."
ISRAEL LÉVI Professor in the Jewish Theological Seminary, Editor of "Revue des Etudes Juives," Paris, France.
EUDE LOLLI, D.D. (Deceased) Late Chief Rabbi of Padua; Late Professor of Hebrew at the University, Padua, Italy.
IMMANUEL LÖW, Ph.D. Chief Rabbi of Szegedin, Hungary; Author of "Die Aramäischen Pflanzennamen."
S. H. MARGULIES, Ph.D. Principal of the Jewish Theological Seminary; Chief Rabbi of Florence, Italy.
H. OORT, D.D. Professor of Hebrew Language and Archeology at the State University, Leyden, Holland.
ABBÉ PIETRO PERREAU Formerly Librarian of the Reale Biblioteca Palatina, Parma, Italy.
MARTIN PHILIPPSON, Ph.D. Formerly Professor of History at the Universities of Bonn and Brussels; President of the Deutsch-Israelitischer Gemeindebund, Berlin, Germany.
SAMUEL POZNANSKI, Ph.D. Rabbi in Warsaw, Russia.
E. SCHWARZFELD, LL.D. Secretary-General of the Jewish Colonization Association, Paris, France.
LUDWIG STEIN, Ph.D. Professor of Philosophy, University of Bern, Switzerland; Editor of "Archiv für Geschichte der Philosophie," etc.
HERMANN L. STRACK, Ph.D. Professor of Old Testament Exegesis and Semitic Languages, University of Berlin, Germany.
CHARLES TAYLOR, D.D., LL.D. Master of St. John's College, Cambridge, England; Editor of "Sayings of the Jewish Fathers," etc.
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07-24-2012, 02:06 PM
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Re: Crazy Stuff from Reckart followers and their l
and Wrecker and others claim that the tetragrammaton-YHWH-is not in the original but was added by Babylonish apostate Jews as a substitute for the word "JESUS" which originally appeared there? and that YHWH is some form of a demon/god?
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Re: Crazy Stuff from Reckart followers and their l
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and Wrecker and others claim that the tetragrammaton-YHWH-is not in the original but was added by Babylonish apostate Jews as a substitute for the word "JESUS" which originally appeared there? and that YHWH is some form of a demon/god?
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I think maybe they believe the original was Ehyeh from Exodus but if we don't know the vowels of Yahweh how do we know the vowels of Ehyeh?
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07-24-2012, 02:10 PM
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Re: Crazy Stuff from Reckart followers and their l
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check this Facebook topic. It's a picture with comments
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This is proof about yhwh how evil it is
We get that name From the jews but here is what they use it for God went by Jesus in the ot
Y H W H....... is evil, and will lead to....... H E L L.
Halellujah is not in the bible, Alleluia is, a Latin word in Revelation, which even Vine's won't touch because it's not a word...
Jesus' name is not Jeshua, Yeshua, Jehashua (or any of the many, many guess names people come up with)...it's Jesus. In Hebrew it's Jesha(s), and this is pronounced "Je-shahs". Now, look up Strongs H3468 and what does this name mean? Jesus came in the flesh, not the Tetragammaton or any of the 72+ guess names which have come from it. Either for some reason you have me blocked or you just can't answer simple questions straight from Scritpure...either way I have disproved your Tetragrammaton points enough, I'm done here.
Reckart: Anointed, all this copy, cut, paste of generational lies is just that. All Jevon is doing is parroting the lies of the Jews, monks, Catholics, Protestants, law-keeping Hebrew roots sacred namers. YHWH is not the name of God, and never was. It was put into the Bible by Babylonian Jews. YHWH is a devil name. Any guess names derived from it are devil names
Reckart: Double sex god of the Kabbalah which is claimed by Jews to be the secret meaning behind the Torah and the Talmud. It is the Jews who say the
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This is what they said
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07-24-2012, 03:38 PM
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Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
( II Timothy 3:7)
Sometimes understanding just the simplicity of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is all we need.
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YHWH is not the name of God, and never was. It was put into the Bible by Babylonian Jews.
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Then there would be at LEAST 6000 errors in the Old Testament. Would not be very confidence inspiring to think of the scriptures that way. Especially on something that to the God of it was so important.
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07-24-2012, 04:58 PM
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Re: Crazy Stuff from Reckart followers and their l
Exactly
Not only that they claim, as an anti Yahweh argument, that it is a guess word. Presumably because we don't know for sure the original vowels
Well then so is EVERY Hebrew word including Ehyeh and every Hebrew name including the name of the Messiah that was transliterated into greek
Oh they seem to deny the aramaic/Hebrew name is yeshua too
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- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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Well then so is EVERY Hebrew word including Ehyeh and every Hebrew name including the name of the Messiah that was transliterated into greek
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Yep.
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