Shekinah and Jesus

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ok.....THEOPHANY....yeah...

Am I allowed to use that non-biblical word too?

God has appeared many times to man. When Jesus was born, was not Gods first appearance ....

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Here is what the topic never was..

It was NEVER about the Kabbalah despite others trying to change the topic to that.

It was NEVER about how Jews today use the term.

It was ONLY about how the term and the CONCEPT was used in second temple Judaism in and around the time Jesus was here on earth to refer to God's Presence here on earth such as in the Temple dedication.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Did you post evidence the term WAS used 'in second temple Judaism in and around the time Jesus was here on earth'?

All the evidence I have read seems to indicate it was a medieval conception...

And YES the topic involves kabbala. To say otherwise would be like asking about the word 'trinity' and then saying Nicea and catholicism is not on topic.

Prax, did you ever post the primary sources that prove that the word shekinah was used by Jesus and His apostles during the second temple period?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The more I study this and other Hebraic concepts and realize the NT was written from a HEBREW not a GREEK mindset or written to correct Greek understanding using Hebrew, the more Oneness makes sense.

God's "Presence" rested on the prophets and spoke through them. In the NT God's presence took up permanent residency in human form.

So, are you now saying that the New Testament was originally penned in Hebrew? Or that Hebrews who spoke Greek, but thought in Hebrew wrote the New Testament in Greek with the Hebrew understanding?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The Talmud is NOT the Zohar and I know plenty. I believe it was a middle age fabrication.

Do you scream at your computer screen?

Who said that the Zohar was the Talmud, or the Talmud is the Zohar?

Take a chill pill, just because a poster places certain things in the same sentence doesn't mean they all are the same thing, hence the reason we use commas?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What THIS topic is about has nothing to do with the Kabbalah as I already said dozens of times.

Well, that is not entirely so, because you use title a thread in a way which would make anyone who knows anything about how the Rabbinical Jews use the word to make all sorts of statements. Hence you may of not wanted to get into this discussion, but putting Shekinah and Jesus together seemed to open a can of worms.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The subject in THIS thread is NOT the Shekinah of the Kabbalah nor Metatron nor Yhwh nor Elohim nor anything else the Kabbalah teaches on.

You see Prax, this is what leads me to believe that you are limited in your knowledge of this topic. You look like all you know is what you been finding on the web. Not the Shekinah of Kabbalah? How old is Jewish Mysticism?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It's sad that none of you want to discuss what the bible teaches about God's presence/dwelling and obfuscate what this topic was about.

Obfuscating the discussion? I sorry that you feel the need to play victim here and anyone challenging your choice of topic as being the bad guy. Seems you were just looking for threads of posts giving you a thumbs up?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't start an argument. You did. This topic has NOTHING at all to do with the Kabbalah. I don't know how many times that needs to be said.

The Talmud is NOT Kabblah.

http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/233/Q3/

Brother, if you didn't think you would get this sort of reaction to the title of your thread, then you know less about your subject than you wish to admit.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Many people don't realize John was not a greek writing from a Greek mindset. He was a JEW writing from a Jewish mindset.

Jesus also was a Jew and He communicated TO Jews in a way those Jews would understand.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Greek word for Dwelt is Skenoo

sn The Greek word translated took up residence (σκηνόω, skēnoō) alludes to the OT tabernacle, where the Shekinah, the visible glory of God’s presence, resided. The author is suggesting that this glory can now be seen in Jesus (note the following verse). The verb used here may imply that the Shekinah glory that once was found in the tabernacle has taken up residence in the person of Jesus. Cf. also John 2:19–21. The Word became flesh. This verse constitutes the most concise statement of the incarnation in the New Testament.

Biblical Studies Press. (2006). The NET Bible First Edition Notes (Jn 1:14). Biblical Studies Press.

Compare

Rev 15:8 and the sanctuary was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the sanctuary until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished.

Exo 40:34 Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

1Ki 8:10 And when the priests came out of the Holy Place, a cloud filled the house of the LORD,
1Ki 8:11 so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD.
1Ki 8:12 Then Solomon said, "The LORD has said that he would dwell in thick darkness.
1Ki 8:13 I have indeed built you an exalted house, a place for you to dwell in forever."


The Manifest Presence of God. That is what this was supposed to be about. Sadly people have more interest in arguing over words than discussing what the bible says nowadays.

With all due respect, are you trying to say that the Greek σκηνόω is a transliteration of Shekinah?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

There is no argument. It's a topic about God's presence dwelling here in the OT and in Christ in the NT.

He wants to hijack the thread and make it an argument. Don't you guys see? We never even started discussing the topic yet because they hijacked it.

This topic never was about the Kabbalah.

He wants to hijack? Don't you guys see?

Whatever.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

God has appeared many times to man. When Jesus was born, was not Gods first appearance ....

Didn't you already say that?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

With all due respect, are you trying to say that the Greek σκηνόω is a transliteration of Shekinah?

Uh...no

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother, if you didn't think you would get this sort of reaction to the title of your thread, then you know less about your subject than you wish to admit.

I know that some people can't see the forest for the trees and was hoping for better from the people on this forum especially after having told those same people several times now I was not referring to the Kabbalistic concept.

The word did not originate with the Kabbalah nor is it limited to the Kabbalah,.