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Originally Posted by Sean
Guys, I am through debating with preterists, however,I will gladly answer questions like the kind TRUTHSEEKER asked. That was fun and easy. If anyone that is objective would like to see my comparison of Paul quoting Jesus' rapture of Matt 24, feel free to ask.
(I saw this myself and was never taught it as a futurist.)
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Ok, since you will answer questions..lol. Let me ask you a couple of questions based on Nebuchadnezzar's vision in
Daniel 2:
I'm sure you know the back drop to the story, so I will just post starting from verse 31.
Dan 2 (KJV)
31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
36
This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. (
kingdom #1)
39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom
(kingdom #2) inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass,
(kingdom #3) which shall bear rule over all the earth.
40 And the fourth kingdom (
kingdom #4) shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; (
kingdom #4 shall be divided) but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. (
kingdom #4 shall be partly strong, and partly broken)
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
Questions:
1. Based on the passage above, how many kingdoms total were represented by the large statue in Nebuchadnezzar's vision?
(my answer is: 4 kingdoms. what say you?)
2. In the passage above, who was the fourth kingdom?
(my answer: Rome. what say you?)
3. In the passage above, "the stone cut without hands" smashed the statue at its feet. Verse 44 interprets this action as: "
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."
a) What does this stone represent?
(my answer: the kingdom established by God in the new testament during the Roman kingdom. what say you?)
b)The kingdom established by God destroys the statue by smashing at the fourth kingdom, filling the whole earth and will never be destroyed. What's your take on this?
(my answer: the new testament kingdom set up by God is the last kingdom. There will NEVER be another worldwide kingdom like the 4 mentioned in the passage again. The new testament kingdom will eventually fill the whole earth (ergo "Go ye into the world and make disciples of ALL nations..." What say you?)
4. Also, if you have any other comments on the vision in
Daniel 2 from your view point, add it...thanks!
And there's so much preaching of matt 24 being our time of the last days that in our churches you could not avoid seeing it that way fue to that influence.
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