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Old 09-03-2015, 12:54 PM
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Aquila, she had the job before supreme court decision.

Arresting her made her a martyr for the cause.
Imagine if a cashier worked for a convenience store. The store is eventually purchased by someone and is now therefore under new management. Now the store begins selling everything that a convenience store provides, in addition to some knew merchandise, an array of adult magazines and movies. Now our Christian cashier might have to willingly "sell" these items to patrons. Do they refuse to sell the items and not expect to be fired? Or should they resign their position and seek gainful employment elsewhere? Or do they resolve within their conscience that they are simply exchanging money, the items in purchased are solely the moral responsibility of the purchaser?

Do you think they'd have a chance at suing for their job back if they refused to sell the adult merchandise? Of course not.

They do well to take the initiative by resigning and seeking gainful employment elsewhere.
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Old 09-03-2015, 12:57 PM
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When the Congress or SCOTUS declare that all citizens must receive a mark, will the one's saying we should obey the law continue to believe that?
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:03 PM
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Imagine if a cashier worked for a convenience store. The store is eventually purchased by someone and is now therefore under new management. Now the store begins selling everything that a convenience store provides, in addition to some knew merchandise, an array of adult magazines and movies. Now our Christian cashier might have to willingly "sell" these items to patrons. Do they refuse to sell the items and not expect to be fired? Or should they resign their position and seek gainful employment elsewhere? Or do they resolve within their conscience that they are simply exchanging money, the items in purchased are solely the moral responsibility of the purchaser?

Do you think they'd have a chance at suing for their job back if they refused to sell the adult merchandise? Of course not.

They do well to take the initiative by resigning and seeking gainful employment elsewhere.
Apples and bowling balls. Not really comparable, IMO.
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:09 PM
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Imagine if a cashier worked for a convenience store. The store is eventually purchased by someone and is now therefore under new management. Now the store begins selling everything that a convenience store provides, in addition to some knew merchandise, an array of adult magazines and movies. Now our Christian cashier might have to willingly "sell" these items to patrons. Do they refuse to sell the items and not expect to be fired? Or should they resign their position and seek gainful employment elsewhere? Or do they resolve within their conscience that they are simply exchanging money, the items in purchased are solely the moral responsibility of the purchaser?

Do you think they'd have a chance at suing for their job back if they refused to sell the adult merchandise? Of course not.

They do well to take the initiative by resigning and seeking gainful employment elsewhere.
There are 79 countries were homosexuality is illegal, and other countries which don't recognize homosexual marriage. So, just like leaving a job, it may come a day when this place will no longer be compatible for Christian living? I would hate to think that, but I hope Apostolics start getting some prayer going.
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:11 PM
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Ok, show me where it instructs civil disobedience?
I'm not speaking of anarchy, nor am I speaking of civil disobedience for no reason. Paul is clear in his epistles that we are to submit to authority.

HOWEVER, there are times in the Bible where believers have conducted civil disobedience.

Old Testament:
Pharaoh commanded every boy to be killed, but Moses was kept alive.

Rahab was ordered to hand over the Israeli spies, but refused.

Obediah hid over a hundred prophets while Jezebel ordered them slain.

Most famously in the OT, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego refused to bow to the King's image and Daniel refused to stop praying against the King's order.

New Testament:
Disciples and Apostles were ordered several times to stop preaching the Gospel and they refused. Their answer: "We should obey God rather than man."

Anarchy and wanton disobedience is not Biblical; however, there are times when Christians have righteously committed civil disobedience.

This is one of those times. The SCOTUS declared SSM is a right and one now enforced by threat of jail. It is a righteous act of Biblical, civil disobedience to obey God and not man.
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:33 PM
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im for anarchy.

I want the gov. of KY to bust her out of jail and to stop the feds.
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:34 PM
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im for anarchy.

I want the gov. of KY to bust her out of jail and to stop the feds.


It was US Marshals who took her into custody, so the KY State Police should be sent to free her.
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:37 PM
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Why is it we applaud Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego for refusing to bow to the King's demands; yet some believe it's wrong to oppose the Federal or State government?

Obey we man rather than God?
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:40 PM
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I'm not speaking of anarchy, nor am I speaking of civil disobedience for no reason. Paul is clear in his epistles that we are to submit to authority.

HOWEVER, there are times in the Bible where believers have conducted civil disobedience.

Old Testament:
Pharaoh commanded every boy to be killed, but Moses was kept alive.

Rahab was ordered to hand over the Israeli spies, but refused.

Obediah hid over a hundred prophets while Jezebel ordered them slain.

Most famously in the OT, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego refused to bow to the King's image and Daniel refused to stop praying against the King's order.

New Testament:
Disciples and Apostles were ordered several times to stop preaching the Gospel and they refused. Their answer: "We should obey God rather than man."

Anarchy and wanton disobedience is not Biblical; however, there are times when Christians have righteously committed civil disobedience.

This is one of those times. The SCOTUS declared SSM is a right and one now enforced by threat of jail. It is a righteous act of Biblical, civil disobedience to obey God and not man.
We should rather obey God than man was a statement made against the Judean religious rulership. You still have a quandary, that we are called to peace, that we may live in peace. That's the reason you have separatist movements, because they sought to separate totally from the outside world.

You cannot legislate morality, or godly living, we are to preach to them, but we cannot enforce our rules over them.

My dear brother pray like never before, and shout like never before, because we fight on the floor, down on our faces. Through tears, and strong prayer, no protest is going to do anything when a people are so bent to go against Jesus Christ in such numbers.
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:42 PM
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Daniel was an advisor to the King! Yet we don't read of any Israelites saying he should just step down. But more than one here has said Kim Davis should just quit her job and resign. Why?

This King wasn't a godly King, either. Surely Daniel should have known what he was getting into when he accepted his position. Yet he accepted the position and remained in the position despite the King's decrees.
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