Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The apostles wrote in Greek. The Gentiles spoke in Greek. Why were they not told anything about pronunciation of the Name?

Why did God not include any mention of His desire that we use a Hebrew sounding pronunciation of the Name?

The Bible was written and preserved IN GREEK by Divine Providence. The NAME that has been made known around the world is IESOUS, pronounced a variety of ways depending on the person's language.

I just don't understand why non Hebrew speaking people are attracted to trying to speak Hebrew here and there when it comes to religion. It's pretentious. Its embarrassing to watch a guy with a clearly American accent suddenly drop into Rabbi mode when mentioning certain things. Like when they are speaking English to English speakers and try to sound all Jewish when mentioning Bible people's names. Shaul instead of Saul or Paul, Mattiyahu instead of Matthew, etc...

I mean, really now. A Hebrew who speaks Hebrew? Fine. But to suggest there is some sort of "move of God" involved in (mostly white American) Christians suddenly using Hebrew pronunciations - when there is no instruction to do so by the apostles - seems like quite a stretch.

Ever hear if the term "plastic Paddy"? Same concept.

I just don't understand why people want to go outside what is actually written. That seems definitely non apostolic and non Biblical.

If you want to use Yeshua or whatever, fine. But its no different than if I, as an American English speaker, preferred to use Jesucristo and said "God is giving new understanding of this and people who don't use Jesucristo are hanging in that back number of people who think they know it all but really haven't moved on with God."

It just really comes across as divisive, pretentious, and lacks scriptural support, so why bother with it?

nice

[Steve Epley]

Folks baptized in Russia speak the name spoken in Russian same in Spanish speaking nationalities, Arabic or Hindu it matters not. Acts 2:38 obeyed in the language of the hearer is the same!
I have not met the first so-called sacred name guy who speaks or reads Hebrew.
I am not impressed.
A study of the sacred name movement in America sprang out of the JWs the majority deny Jesus is God and the Holy Ghost baptism with the exception of those who have departed from the Oneness movement NONE of which I have met have a clue about speaking the original language. Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That is an excellent question. Also was God confused when He healed all those folks when the name of Jesus was called over them?

Amen, good point.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen, good point.

I debated a Yahweh guy once he said if he was dying he would hope the name of Jesus was not the last thought he had! This guy was in prison for dealing drugs when God saved him. He was calling on Jesus name when he was delivered and filled with the Spirit he studied himself into reprobation. Sad. He and his comrade said the name Jesus meant the pig.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

WARNING: Be extremely careful from what you LEARN on this (or any forum) always critically examine what you LEARN here. Read everything, listen to everyone, BUT, don't believe a word of it, unless you STUDY it out through your own research.

Now THAT is very interesting!

I hope you implied that the Bereans "...received the word
with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily,
whether those things were so."

Otherwise you are, in effect, telling everyone not to follow
anyone else's advice but your own! So if there be anyone in
this forum that is in the Lord's Ministry (or a preacher of the
gospel that saves), we should all just disregard it, right? Oh,
that's right, the caveat: "study it out".

Beloved, instead of trying to think for everyone you should say
that you disagree, AND THEN state your reason(s) why! Live up
to the title you are representing!

"Judge righteous judgment."

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It is obvious that no one can prove the original gospels or most of the epistles were written in Greek. It is pure speculation to say so. Does anyone claim to have THE original of ANY of the Apostles writings? Of course not. One CAN say perhaps the oldest COPIES we have were in Greek. In no way does that prove THE original written by the hands of the Apostles was written in Greek.

Tho there be some Greek scripts or fragments that are very old it is PURE SPECULATION what language they were written in the 200 years earlier.

All this actually proves God PRESERVED his Word in Greek. So apparently God didn't inspire any Hebrew NT writings, or he immediately discarded them in favor of Greek "copies".

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

WARNING: Be extremely careful from what you LEARN on this (or any forum) always critically examine what you LEARN here. Read everything, listen to everyone, BUT, don't believe a word of it, unless you STUDY it out through your own research.

Bill Cooper?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

All this actually proves God PRESERVED his Word in Greek. So apparently God didn't inspire any Hebrew NT writings, or he immediately discarded them in favor of Greek "copies".

In fact, there is evidence the originals WERE written in Greek. To suggest it was written in Hebrew is PURE SPECULATION.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Shag, no portion of the New Testament was written in Hebrew.

Thank you for playing.

Matthew was first written in Hebrew, there is plenty of proof that it was.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The Gentiles spoke Greek. Why were they never told about the fact that Iesous was incorrect, it should be Yeshua? Why was it never written? The apostles wrote in Greek, not Hebrew. There is NOT A DROP of historical indication the Greek speaking Gentiles EVER thought it necessary to say Yashua until approx 100 years ago when some Adventist splinter groups got into Sacred Namism (the JWs are one of those groups). Many of those groups have gone so far as to revert to Judaism en toto. Many others are just "Christian sects who want to play Jewish" with titles like Rabbi, wearing tallit, yarmulkas, putting mezuzahs on their houses, claiming to be Hebrew Roots or Messianics, etc.

About the same time these Sacred Namers were getting their "revelation" in the early 1900s another group got a revelation of the name JESUS CHRIST... and which group has been blessed with revival?

There is no proof the Apostles wrote in Greek, none whatsoever.
Pure speculation and assumption.

They may have written in Greek, but we are not to make arguments from silence.

Even if they wrote in Greek and it could be proven, the Sermon by Peter on the day of Pentecost was given in Hebrew or perhaps Aramaic, not in Greek.

So the name that Peter said was the only name that had salvation, was a Hebrew Name.