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02-26-2007, 12:31 AM
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I do not believe there is a chronological formula for salvation. Many have received the Holy Ghost without repenting and/or being baptized. I am not a big fan Do this, then do that and this will happen. Just some quick calculations suggest there are at least 6 different combinations to follow the steps to salvation. Repent
Baptized
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Repent
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Repent
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Repent
Holy Ghost
Baptized
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Repent
There may be more combinations, feel free to add to the list.
Another question. Were the Samaritans saved before Peter and John went to Samaria and laid hands on them to receive the Holy Ghost? These are questions that haven't been adequately answered, at least to this inquiring mind.
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Originally Posted by Felicity
There are too many problems with the "not born again/saved until you speak in tongues" doctrine for me to be able to accept it. That's the bottom line.
It's not that I don't want to. I mean why wouldn't I want to accept this as being truth if it was? Makes no sense that I wouldn't.
If we preach Acts 2:38 as it's written it's not problematic at all. And we get the same results .... those of us who believe and preach it.
People are receiving the baptism of the Spirit all over the world who've never heard tell of the "three steps to salvation" doctrine. God is true to His promise and His Word to pour out His Spirit on all mankind. Pentecost is the largest religious movement in the world today. |
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02-26-2007, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
There is NO fuss here I certainly believes the Holy Ghost draws and convicts but neither is regeneration or the new birth. Just like flirting is not having a child. But flirting comes first, the Holy Ghost woos us and convicts then the word of God is conceived in our hearts at repentance then the birth.
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Lots of analogies ... no Word.
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02-26-2007, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Maybe if you could post some scriptures that explain your beliefs it may help some of us to see it. I don't see spiritual regeneration in faith alone in the scriptures.
Faith has to precede spiritual regeneration but where in the Bible do you find spiritual regeneration of be something other than the baptisms of water and Spirit?
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Mizpeh.....
The main theme in regards to salvation throughout the New Testament including Acts is faith and belief.
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02-26-2007, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Mizpeh.....
The main theme in regards to salvation throughout the New Testament including Acts is faith and belief.
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02-26-2007, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Okay, let's see Bro. Steve, do you make any exceptions? Infants? Mentally disabled folks? Heathen that NEVER came close to hearing you preach or anyone else? Folks that are in the process of the three step? ANY EXCEPTIONS AT ALL??  |
You know I do not believe babies or the mentally disabled go to Hell they can't believe or disbelieve. If the heathen are hungry God will send them a One God Jesus Name preacher just like he did to those in Acts if not they will just have to go to Hell. Folks who have the ability to choose and do not choose to obey the truth then to Hell they go.
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02-26-2007, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by tv1a
Some lingering questions.
If one is saved @ repentance, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost is gravy how do you explain the fact many get the Holy Ghost before completing the other two steps?
On the surface it seems like the pci view doesn't reflect a "oneness" theology. Does a pci view differentiate between Jesus and the Holy Spirit? By most writings I've seen on this thread, it doesn't appear to be the case.
How can the pci position reconcile their views with the parable of the ten versions. If the oil represents the Holy Ghost, and five virgins were not able to join the bridegroom in the wedding, how can one say the infilling of the Holy Ghost is not essential to salvation?
The glass half full/half empty analogy doesn't stand up to what Jesus taught about the Holy Ghost. Either you have it or you don't. If one claims the Spirit of Jesus lives in them without receiving the Holy Ghost, than one is espousing something more than a oneness viewpoint.
These are a few lingering questions that doesn't seem to reconcile the validity of salvaion at repentance in my book. I'm no theologian, but I am a thinker, and I play chess. From what I see, the logical implications of the pci view changes does more than than just a salvational formula...
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You are simply defining the gospel thru the lens of your belief system, your analogy is just that YOUR analogy.
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02-26-2007, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
You are simply defining the gospel thru the lens of your belief system, your analogy is just that YOUR analogy.
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The belief system as in the Book of Acts a very good belief system. 
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02-26-2007, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tv1a
I do not believe there is a chronological formula for salvation. Many have received the Holy Ghost without repenting and/or being baptized. I am not a big fan Do this, then do that and this will happen. Just some quick calculations suggest there are at least 6 different combinations to follow the steps to salvation.Repent
Baptized
Holy Ghost
Baptized
Holy Ghost
Repent
Holy Ghost
Repent
Baptized
Baptized
Repent
Holy Ghost
Repent
Holy Ghost
Baptized
Holy Ghost
Baptized
Repent
There may be more combinations, feel free to add to the list.
Another question. Were the Samaritans saved before Peter and John went to Samaria and laid hands on them to receive the Holy Ghost? These are questions that haven't been adequately answered, at least to this inquiring mind.
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WHOA NELLIE!!!!!!!
No one has EVER, EVER, EVER received the Holy Ghost without repentance!
Sheeesh!
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02-26-2007, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam
That's similar to what Bro. S.G. Norris taught at A.B.I. He taught that the HGB with tongues was the birth of the Spirit and that unless speaking with tongues (crying)
happened it was a still birth. Verses he quoted were Gal 4:6 "...God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, CRYING, Abba, Father" and Romans 8:15 "...we have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we Cry, Abba, Father." |
I don't recall this line of teaching, but since I'm ancient, my memory may be failing me.
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02-26-2007, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by commonsense
I don't recall this line of teaching, but since I'm ancient, my memory may be failing me.
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Who was sleeping in class .. Sam or Commonsense???
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