Yes. I believe his feet were the color of brass-- I think I read that once. I know King Solomon was black and he is in the lineage of Christ.
But this is neither here nor there in this discussion.
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Yes. I believe his feet were the color of brass-- I think I read that once. I know King Solomon was black and he is in the lineage of Christ. But this is neither here nor there in this discussion.
I stand corrected. King Solomon himself was not black, but the "object of his love" in the Song of Solomon was indeed black.
Jesus was a Mulatto, a mixed breed, and just one generation ago, would have been considered an abomination by many good-hearted but ignorant Christian folk.
To add, there are quite a few "Christians" opposed to mixed race marriages-- whatever the reasoning, it is still a glaring example of racially biased ignorance.
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It’s obvious to me that the racial divide among even Apostolics is greater than I imagined. The leading opinion among whites is, “Get over it”. But we as a white majority have yet to even admit to doing “it” or to what “it” was and what effect "it" has had on people living today.
This is perhaps one of America’s most grievous national sins. The prejudice and racism that has fueled the frustration and indignation of civil rights leaders and black pastors is entirely lost on us white folks. Think about what has been inherited on their side.
- For nearly 400 years your people are enslaved in brutal conditions and no restitution is made. There isn’t a Zion for you to return to. You lost your history, your language, your culture, your identity. The only thing that defines you is your history in bondage and the stereotypes society perpetuates.
- Imagine, your grandfather was drug out of a house and lynched by the firelight of burning torches in a park by a group of white men in the middle of the night. Somehow the authorities never found a viable suspect.
- Your uncle was accused of a brutal rape and murder of a white girl when there were many eye witnesses testifying to his not even being in that place the night of the crime. One by one the prosecution throws out their testimonies and your uncle is sentenced to death.
- Your father is more than qualified for good work….but is never hired. When hired he’s paid only a portion of what a white man doing the same job is paid. He went out for the police force but they denied him for someone less qualified because he was white. Your father couldn’t get on with the fire department either. After multiple failures your father settles for working as a floor sweeper in the local corner market for little pay. No inheritance is handed down. Nothing is there.
- Your brother is approached by some strangers interested in getting him in on a narcotics deal. They want to know his friends and they network with him. They offer him big time cash, money he can’t refuse. The offer’s too good to refuse and at the abyss of poverty he takes the offer thinking this is a way out and that he’ll only do it as long as he needs to get set. Then he’s busted in a sting operation that brings him and ring of others down and lands them in prison.
- You call around for information on various apartments on a nice side of town where you can get away from the elements you live around and when you do amazingly, there are no vacancies, or there is still work needed to be done and they aren’t yet available. But your white friend calls the same properties and gets an offer for a lease beginning nearly immediately on nearly half the apartments you called.
- You walk into a neighborhood grocery store to buy some milk for your baby girl and find that you’re being watched and followed around the store by employees like they can’t trust you while white patrons walk around freely nearly oblivious to any suspicion.
- I’m white. I’ve been pulled over about 4 times in my life and was never issued a ticket. I was even going 57 mph in 35 on my way to Thunder Bowl once and got off with a warning. You’re my black friend; he’s been pulled over only twice and issued a hefty ticket by a white cop each time.
Nobody admits to “it”. No body apologizes for “it”. Everyone pretends “it” isn’t real. But the one thing they are sure of is that you get over “it”.
The frustration and anger over these things pours out from some black preachers on some Sunday mornings. The paranoia surrounding this issue has combined history with myth and sometimes what is said isn’t factual but is perceived by the speaker to be true. And we gasp and act faint like Victorian women who can’t believe how horrible it is.
Get real.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
It’s obvious to me that the racial divide among even Apostolics is greater than I imagined. The leading opinion among whites is, “Get over it”. But we as a white majority have yet to even admit to doing “it” or to what “it” was and what effect "it" has had on people living today.
Nobody admits to “it”. No body apologizes for “it”. Everyone pretends “it” isn’t real. But the one thing they are sure of is that you get over “it”.
I won't admit to IT
I won't apologize for IT
Because I have never in my life done IT.
I am not responsible for IT
IT is not part of my nature
IT is not part of who I am
IT is apparently deep rooted in your family or something because you have an insatiable desire to apologize for IT.
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- You walk into a neighborhood grocery store to buy some milk for your baby girl and find that you’re being watched and followed around the store by employees like they can’t trust you while white patrons walk around freely nearly oblivious to any suspicion.
This has happened to me more than once, without the baby girl.
- I’m white. I’ve been pulled over about 4 times in my life and was never issued a ticket. I was even going 57 mph in 35 on my way to Thunder Bowl once and got off with a warning. You’re my black friend; he’s been pulled over only twice and issued a hefty ticket by a white cop each time.
I have been pulled over, more than a couple of times, for no apparent reason.
I have been pulled over many times for good reason with no ticket given because I was respectful.
you said:
Nobody admits to “it”. No body apologizes for “it”. Everyone pretends “it” isn’t real. But the one thing they are sure of is that you get over “it”.
I say:
One of the problems is that there are so many white folks who really have had nothing to do with the "glass ceiling" effect, racial barriers, and they really don't have any hate in their heart. They may have ignorance, so it's hard to get some folks to see anything worth apologizing for.
But there's honestly enough ignorance in this country to pass around for everyone to share!
you said:
The frustration and anger over these things pours out from some black preachers on some Sunday mornings. The paranoia surrounding this issue has combined history with myth and sometimes what is said isn’t factual but is perceived by the speaker to be true. And we gasp and act faint like Victorian women who can’t believe how horrible it is.
Get real.
WOW, well said.
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Dude, I spent from age 12 to 20 living in the black projects. Bro, I've seen some stuff.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
It’s obvious to me that the racial divide among even Apostolics is greater than I imagined. The leading opinion among whites is, “Get over it”. But we as a white majority have yet to even admit to doing “it” or to what “it” was and what effect "it" has had on people living today.
This is perhaps one of America’s most grievous national sins. The prejudice and racism that has fueled the frustration and indignation of civil rights leaders and black pastors is entirely lost on us white folks. Think about what has been inherited on their side.
- For nearly 400 years your people are enslaved in brutal conditions and no restitution is made. There isn’t a Zion for you to return to. You lost your history, your language, your culture, your identity. The only thing that defines you is your history in bondage and the stereotypes society perpetuates.
- Imagine, your grandfather was drug out of a house and lynched by the firelight of burning torches in a park by a group of white men in the middle of the night. Somehow the authorities never found a viable suspect.
- Your uncle was accused of a brutal rape and murder of a white girl when there were many eye witnesses testifying to his not even being in that place the night of the crime. One by one the prosecution throws out their testimonies and your uncle is sentenced to death.
- Your father is more than qualified for good work….but is never hired. When hired he’s paid only a portion of what a white man doing the same job is paid. He went out for the police force but they denied him for someone less qualified because he was white. Your father couldn’t get on with the fire department either. After multiple failures your father settles for working as a floor sweeper in the local corner market for little pay. No inheritance is handed down. Nothing is there.
- Your brother is approached by some strangers interested in getting him in on a narcotics deal. They want to know his friends and they network with him. They offer him big time cash, money he can’t refuse. The offer’s too good to refuse and at the abyss of poverty he takes the offer thinking this is a way out and that he’ll only do it as long as he needs to get set. Then he’s busted in a sting operation that brings him and ring of others down and lands them in prison.
- You call around for information on various apartments on a nice side of town where you can get away from the elements you live around and when you do amazingly, there are no vacancies, or there is still work needed to be done and they aren’t yet available. But your white friend calls the same properties and gets an offer for a lease beginning nearly immediately on nearly half the apartments you called.
- You walk into a neighborhood grocery store to buy some milk for your baby girl and find that you’re being watched and followed around the store by employees like they can’t trust you while white patrons walk around freely nearly oblivious to any suspicion.
- I’m white. I’ve been pulled over about 4 times in my life and was never issued a ticket. I was even going 57 mph in 35 on my way to Thunder Bowl once and got off with a warning. You’re my black friend; he’s been pulled over only twice and issued a hefty ticket by a white cop each time.
Nobody admits to “it”. No body apologizes for “it”. Everyone pretends “it” isn’t real. But the one thing they are sure of is that you get over “it”.
The frustration and anger over these things pours out from some black preachers on some Sunday mornings. The paranoia surrounding this issue has combined history with myth and sometimes what is said isn’t factual but is perceived by the speaker to be true. And we gasp and act faint like Victorian women who can’t believe how horrible it is.
Get real.
Chris, you think black people are the only ones who have ever suffered hardship since Adam and Eve??
You need to get your head out of the sand.
You said the majority of whites have yet to admit to 'it'.
Have you? Have you admitted to doing 'it'?
I'll tell you this...I never have done 'it'. I was brought up in a predominantly black neighborhood until I was about 13. When my mom wasn't home, my black Aunt Polly watched me. My 'sister' is black. My kids call her Aunt Butterscotch.
You say that all whites have to say is 'get over it'. Well, that's what my black friends say about 'it' too.
Oh, and those black friends and family members I have? They live in a state where many wars were fought and plantations abounded.
They've already gotten over 'it'.
And quit making excuses like you do above. The idea that white man is responsible for setting up a black man in a sting operation just because he's black is preposterous. If he takes the money, he's guilty and responsible for his actions. We all have the voice to say 'no'. Nobody forced him to take the money you say he couldn't refuse.
Your statements make black people look worse than you are claiming that America at large does. If I were black, I'd be offended at your suggestions that black people have no choice but to do wrong when opportunity knocks.
In fact, I'm offended as a white girl that you make those statements about black folks that I know and love.
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