Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

The challenge once again falls upon you because I have experienced what I have experienced, and unless you've been there you will not be able to convince the 81% of us that you are right. I've given you a few scriptures, you have yet to prove your case with any scripture. If we are MAD as you suppose, then show us the error of our ways, if not, drop out of the conversation until you can give us something that is substantial.

Oh Brother.. correction.. what few scriptures have you given me?

Tell you what.. list them in a row in your reply,, it will be interesting to see

I actually gave two scriptures to your NONE

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Oh Brother.. correction.. what few scriptures have you given me?

Tell you what.. list them in a row in your reply,, it will be interesting to see

I actually gave two scriptures to your NONE

You haven't given me any scriptures doc, where have you posted a scripture to me? I find it amazing that you call yourself a doctor and yet you seem to lack any sensibilities when it comes to experience. Are you denying the Holy Ghost? Have you even experienced the Holy Ghost? So far your arguments are falling on deaf ears to the 80% of the people here who have experience. Do you put us in hell for shouting, dancing, and praising God the way we do? If not, you don't have an argument to stand on, because quite frankly you are twisting scripture to suit you. I will say it again, my experience and my adoration for God trumps your argument. The only thing I see that comes from you is your contempt for the Pentecostal experience, which to me is quite judgemental on your part. Carry on Doctor........er umm.... MR. Vaughn.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Brother Eastman.. I have quoted the scriptures on here MANY times to PROVE EMPHATICALLY that the drunk statement has NOTHING to do with their worship or any of their behavior it had to do with their ability to speak in foreign languages...... and upon hearing this the onlookers said "What causes them to do this" and then others responded "this must be some new wine"

It soooo sad to me that Pentecostal try to make this more than it was..... not ONE MENTION of their PRAISE or WORSHIP....... never one record of anyone shouting or dancing and yet you Pentecostal try to recreate that whole scene to fir your paradigm......

No one was ACTING DRUNK....... these onlookers attributed their ability to break the language barrier as possibly some kind of new wine that no one had heard of... they couldnt think of anything else to attribute it to... it would be like if we heard something happening among a group of people that we could not explain ...... we would say "must be some new drug or something"

Here's a challenge... read the Story of Pentecost and show me ONE SCRIPTURE where they were doing the Pentecostal jerk and roll.... show my anything that compares to that

Amazing! You have PROVEN NOTHING. You have only given YOUR OPINION.

I have encountered many Mexicans that speak English as good as I do, and they were never once mistaken for drunk. Have met Chinese folks that spoke their own language around me. I Did not mistake them for drunk. But I did grow up in a church that was in the city of Tamp where many times a drunk would come into the service to find a back seat he could sit down in. There was no mistaken that they were drunk, as they staggered in.

So I would suggest that your interpretation is not correct, as there is not any reason for anyone to believe that someone that either spoke my language, or spoke their native tongue, would be mistaken for drunk or intoxicated. Your reasoning is unreasonable. You are simply fooling yourself if you think there is any logic to your argument.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Amazing! You have PROVEN NOTHING. You have only given YOUR OPINION.

I have encountered many Mexicans that speak English as good as I do, and they were never once mistaken for drunk. Have met Chinese folks that spoke their own language around me. I Did not mistake them for drunk. But I did grow up in a church that was in the city of Tamp where many times a drunk would come into the service to find a back seat he could sit down in. There was no mistaken that they were drunk, as they staggered in.

So I would suggest that your interpretation is not correct, as there is not any reason for anyone to believe that someone that either spoke my language, or spoke their native tongue, would be mistaken for drunk or intoxicated. Your reasoning is unreasonable. You are simply fooling yourself if you think there is any logic to your argument.

I come to the realization that the good doctor can do nothing more other than give his opinion. LOL!

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Amazing! You have PROVEN NOTHING. You have only given YOUR OPINION.

I have encountered many Mexicans that speak English as good as I do, and they were never once mistaken for drunk. Have met Chinese folks that spoke their own language around me. I Did not mistake them for drunk. But I did grow up in a church that was in the city of Tamp where many times a drunk would come into the service to find a back seat he could sit down in. There was no mistaken that they were drunk, as they staggered in.

So I would suggest that your interpretation is not correct, as there is not any reason for anyone to believe that someone that either spoke my language, or spoke their native tongue, would be mistaken for drunk or intoxicated. Your reasoning is unreasonable. You are simply fooling yourself if you think there is any logic to your argument.

ST MATT... it is not just my opinion,,, some of the greatest denominations in history agree with me.. .along with Spurgeon, Moody and on and on the list goes.. you act like my reasoning stands alone and it DOES NOT.....

I tell you what ST MARK.. in context you put the drunk scriptures up here along with the 5 or 6 before it and lets see what the drunk statement was in reference to.... peoples worship or SPEAKING IN TONGUES........ lets put the rubber on the road brother.... when its over the facts will speak for themselves.. the DRUNK STATEMENT had NOTHING TO DO with emotions.... for lack of knowing what was going on....... :Man, this must be some new wine,,, something has caused them to speak to us in our langauges.. what could it be"""""""" had NOTHING to do with the fact they say people doing the PENTECOSTAL JERK or the PENTECOSTAL RUNNINg... I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT.. prove to the reader that they were in reference to the peoples PRAISE and WORSHIP........

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

ST MATT... it is not just my opinion,,, some of the greatest denominations in history agree with me.. .along with Spurgeon, Moody and on and on the list goes.. you act like my reasoning stands alone and it DOES NOT.....

I tell you what ST MARK.. in context you put the drunk scriptures up here along with the 5 or 6 before it and lets see what the drunk statement was in reference to.... peoples worship or SPEAKING IN TONGUES........ lets put the rubber on the road brother.... when its over the facts will speak for themselves.. the DRUNK STATEMENT had NOTHING TO DO with emotions.... for lack of knowing what was going on....... :Man, this must be some new wine,,, something has caused them to speak to us in our langauges.. what could it be"""""""" had NOTHING to do with the fact they say people doing the PENTECOSTAL JERK or the PENTECOSTAL RUNNINg... I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT.. prove to the reader that they were in reference to the peoples PRAISE and WORSHIP........

WHAAAAAT??? I didn't say anything about Drunks on
this thread! You are getting me mixed up with someone
else I've hardly gotten into this thread except for a few
post.

EASTMAM, I haven't had time to get with my brother about
that question you asked. been busy working on my taxes ( yes in
July lol). Look, if folks don't wanna believe in liberty in worship
and want to control the atmosphere and the people and have
dead church, let 'em be. plain and simple as that

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

ST MATT... it is not just my opinion,,, some of the greatest denominations in history agree with me.. .along with Spurgeon, Moody and on and on the list goes.. you act like my reasoning stands alone and it DOES NOT.....

I tell you what ST MARK.. in context you put the drunk scriptures up here along with the 5 or 6 before it and lets see what the drunk statement was in reference to.... peoples worship or SPEAKING IN TONGUES........ lets put the rubber on the road brother.... when its over the facts will speak for themselves.. the DRUNK STATEMENT had NOTHING TO DO with emotions.... for lack of knowing what was going on....... :Man, this must be some new wine,,, something has caused them to speak to us in our langauges.. what could it be"""""""" had NOTHING to do with the fact they say people doing the PENTECOSTAL JERK or the PENTECOSTAL RUNNINg... I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT.. prove to the reader that they were in reference to the peoples PRAISE and WORSHIP........

That's your problem Mr. Vaughn, some of the greatest denominations that agree with you do not have the Holy Ghost, nor did they teach or preach that anyone should get the Holy Ghost because they did not EXPERIENCE the Holy Ghost according to the book of Acts. Spurgeon, Moody, and the others that you mention do not have the necessary credibilty to say that we as Pentecostals are wrong in the way we worship. Your issue seems to be because the "Pentecostals" shout and worship in such an exuberant way, that we are growing much faster than your dead dry boring churches. I personally have nothing against the way you worship; however, neither do I have issue with the way Pentecostals worship. I understand that you are at a different level of worship, and because you continue to fail in proving scripturally that we are wrong, perhaps you should stir the pot somewhere else.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

ST MATT... it is not just my opinion,,, some of the greatest denominations in history agree with me.. .along with Spurgeon, Moody and on and on the list goes.. you act like my reasoning stands alone and it DOES NOT.....

I tell you what ST MARK.. in context you put the drunk scriptures up here along with the 5 or 6 before it and lets see what the drunk statement was in reference to.... peoples worship or SPEAKING IN TONGUES........ lets put the rubber on the road brother.... when its over the facts will speak for themselves.. the DRUNK STATEMENT had NOTHING TO DO with emotions.... for lack of knowing what was going on....... :Man, this must be some new wine,,, something has caused them to speak to us in our langauges.. what could it be"""""""" had NOTHING to do with the fact they say people doing the PENTECOSTAL JERK or the PENTECOSTAL RUNNINg... I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT.. prove to the reader that they were in reference to the peoples PRAISE and WORSHIP........

Actually it was StMatthew that made that comment to you Mr. Vaughn, not StMark. Get it straight Sir.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I am amazed that some seem to believe that "old time shouting" is out of order.

Do you believe in what the old timers called "shouting". I am talking about where the power of God falls in a service and folks start cutting a jig, or screaming? I am not talking about the Charismatic 2-step we see nowadays. But where one gets "lost" in the holy ghost. It used to be called "getting a blessing".

The problem is that most so-called pentecostals today don't know the Lord well enough to worship "in spirit and in truth".

(Joh 4:24) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Lord is not able to take over any part of their lives.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Rev

The problem is that most so-called pentecostals today don't know the Lord well enough to worship "in spirit and in truth".

(Joh 4:24) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Lord is not able to take over any part of their lives.

That is why we are called to yield ourselves to him. (Rom 6)