Grace Verse Legalism

[Steve Epley]

I feel your pain to have been so mistreated by heartless dictators. I lady of the mindset of posters here told me once you are like Paul you hate women. I thought at least I am in good company.

[cliff d]

Most pastors are afraid to preach it for fear their saints will go off the deep end.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by cliff d

Most pastors are afraid to preach it for fear their saints will go off the deep end.

That is so true. Then they would loose control of their people. Another reason could be that they them selves have not really understood it themselves the whole movement has become so traditionalized and for generations it has been handed down.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by cliff d

Most pastors are afraid to preach it for fear their saints will go off the deep end.

Rightly so, but there is a balance in the teaching to. If the pastor were to preach it correctly though the saints would clearly know that Grace is not a license to sin and get away with it.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Rightly so, but there is a balance in the teaching to. If the pastor were to preach it correctly though the saints would clearly know that Grace is not a license to sin and get away with it.

Amen.

[KWSS1976]

Same here just heard romans preached the other day I believe since the 3 years I have been at this church i attend. I almost fell out of my seat and the way it was talked about it almost sounded like gods grace is good enough no repenting. baptism,holyghost....etc,etc

[Michael The Disciple]

Grace is not like most seem to think one locked in concept. The Greek word "Charis" means "favor". We must go from there. How does the Biblical writer use the word?

The concept we hold cannot disagree with the actual teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. Most teaching I know of about it does that very thing.

[clgustaveson]

Dumb verse Thread...?

[cliff d]

Neo-Pharisees reject faith living because they love law. Instead of receiving the free gift of grace, they feel compelled to go to religious law school and after graduation they feel they can negotiate a legal relationship between themselves and God and also everyone else and God. Like a flashback to Acts 15, they encircle legalistic laws and yokes in the mandatory for salvation classification and harshly lay them upon the people of God.
They are proud and presume themselves to be experts in interpreting Biblical scriptures that are obscure and difficult to understand.

They can pull isolated scriptures from the Old Testament and even though they cannot find precept upon precept and line upon line to support their interpretations they insist that everyone should accept their superior decoding of all these scriptures.

With this kind of flawed exegesis they erect major doctrines that serve as criterion for fellowship. They seem to feel solely qualified to cross every t and dot every i for every pastor, teacher and saint, even on scriptures that are relative and broad in principle only.

[cliff d]

Neo-Pharisees truly believe that all prophecy or revelations of the scripture is for their private interpretations notwithstanding what the Apostle Peter said in II Peter 1:20-" knowing this first that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

But after they are finished adding several reams of their own interpretations, no scripture is seen through a glass darkly, and nothing is known to them in part. Issues that are of minor consequence become major enough to the Neo-Pharisee that he feels it
his responsibility to disfellowship those that differ and designate these people as lost.

I'm not talking about important salvational issues that surround the death, burial and resurrection (repentance, baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost ), but rather I'm referring to scriptures that relate to things like dress standards. Unfortunately, these kinds of nonessential items become the nucleus of their legal theology.