Will those that leave standards be lost?

Originally Posted by Thumper

BP's views are shifting to the left again.

Is it that time of the week already?








Hey BP,

Your web blog is down. Are you updating your beliefs again?

Bro... leave the guy alone.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

This question was asked on another forum, and I responded in this manner...

Standards do not make one saved. Standards are fruit. If a saint, in a modest and humble spirit, feels led to dress as a holiness person, then their modesty and holiness will keep them saved, and their standards will be the fruit thereof. I have known non-standards saints who have a right spirit, and they are my brethren, yes. May not agree with them on their dress, but that is between them and the Lord. They have a right spirit, and I believe eventually, the Lord will lead them into some form of standards.

For me, I do not wear shorts, because no human being deserves the pain of seeing my legs. I do not wear jewelry, because it is just not right in my spirit to do so. I do not wear sleeveless shirts, because of the same reason as the shorts. I watch a little TV now and then, but not any of the ungodly mess I see on many channels. I believe a woman should not trim her hair because it is a sign of rebellion in my heart's view. All of these are in my heart, because of the spirit within me.

yes BP standards are fruit. Standards are listed in Gal with...the wait is now 10 qualities that are the fruit of the spirit.

Standards are NOT a fruit. Standards merely methods that imposers/enforcers use to judge the spirituality of women.

Fruit? seems more like a nut to me.

[Bishop1]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

After having read through a few threads, I think I will stir the pot and ask this question.

STANDARDS; Are they really heaven or hell issues?

" Y E S "

Bishop1

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by keith4him

Well I thought that would be the easiest way to relate to you.

Let say there are non-disputable standards, and then there are disputable matters of conscience these are non binding.

What people consider are disputable and non disputable remains currently disputable.

Keith, unfortunately these disputable matters of conscience that are non-binding would act as degrees of separation that literally blast fellowhip of the brethern to bits, isolating precious folks to the wilderness.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Ron

Well this is something I don't have to pray about-I ain't wearing no dress!!

Not unless you sing in the choir...and they make you wear a choir robe...which is a dress.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

It is all in how you define salvation. If you define it as simply the born again experience, then yes, you get it at new birth. But if you define it as the finished work of God in our lives, it comes at the end of our lives. We only get an earnest, the full deal happens at the end.

Lets see, defining salvation as the finished work of God in our lives, then that salvation only comes at the end...

So what you are saying is that it is never finished, because each and every one of us die prematurely...or before we would like to die.

Meaning of course, we are banished to spend the rest of our lives working toward our salvation but never attaining it.

I am not sure God ever intended his blood to be a carrot on a stick.

[freeatlast]

I'll take the finished work of Calvary...you keep chasing that carrot stick.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I'll take the finished work of Calvary...you keep chasing that carrot stick.

What do you mean? How do you define the "finished work of Calvary?"

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

What do you mean? How do you define the "finished work of Calvary?"

I meant for Charlie Brown to keep chasing the stick, not you Carp.

I was agreeing with you.

Calvary's work, the blood sacrafice that made Christ my savior/mediator/advocate is the ONLY thing that has saved me and will keep me saved.

Br. Carp, we could all be mother Therasa on steriods in all our good works.
We can have the longest dressses, sleeves, hair and faces and God would not be the slightset bit impressed by are good works.

Salvation is not of myself..when I begin to think that I am earning it by standards or good works I am more than likley losing it or possibly have never understood the grace of God at all.

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Lets see, defining salvation as the finished work of God in our lives, then that salvation only comes at the end...

So what you are saying is that it is never finished, because each and every one of us die prematurely...or before we would like to die.

Meaning of course, we are banished to spend the rest of our lives working toward our salvation but never attaining it.

I am not sure God ever intended his blood to be a carrot on a stick.

So God has finished his work in you, and you never need his blood again?? My friend, the redemption of our bodies is when salvation is finished. Until that point, some will fail the grace of God, and be lost. IF their salvation was finished at new birth, then they could never loose it. Do you believe the eternal security teachings??

And you have placed words into my mouth that I have never said. I did not say we "work to be saved". But we DO work out our own salvation with fear and trembling (we take our walk with God serious), less as Paul stated in one place, we should find ourself rejected. We walk by faith.

I have no problem stating that I am saved, because I understand that I have received the deposit of eternal life. But I do not have the full possesion of my salvation until I am changed from mortality to immortality.