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08-16-2007, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Prax instead of me typing out an encyclopedia for you, how about teaching your doctrine of self defence by using the New Testament, words of Jesus and His Apostles.
If you don't have any scriptures (which you indeed admitted.) you have no argument. Also I have produced scriptures that teach non-retaliation, you have produced no scriptures to prove that Jesus taught self defence.
I guess you must also believe that a baptism of titles father, son, Holy Ghost is also permissable? Prax' s Jesus taught non-retaliation. We are no longer told to stone unruly sons. The judgement is the Lord's.
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It's amazing when people here insist you can't use the OT for anything, yet they'd have no problem using it themselves for other reasons.
BTW your quip about baptism just doesn't make any sense. I view it as a desparate attempt on your part to just obfuscate my point and avoid responding by resorting to red herrings
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-16-2007, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
Peter had a sword to cut off a guards ear. Maybe Jesus should've said something to Peter for having a sword to begin with?????
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Yeah, but Jesus was constantly having to get on Peter about his unbelief!
Thought experiment:
Why did Peter decide, in that most desperate of moments, to slice off somebody's ear? How was that supposed to help? Was that so the guard wouldn't hear them whispering their escape plans?
Or should we conclude that his aim was cleave the guard's head in two, and the guard partially dodged the blow?
The bible says there is a time to kill.
The bible says that killing is different from murder.
Some have perfect faith that God will protect them in the natural supernaturally. I pray for this, but my faith isn't perfect.
I once heard a preacher say "God honors your faith at your level of faith. If you have perfect faith that God will interrupt the robber or rapist, God will honor your faith. If you have imperfect faith, God will honor your aim."
Never once have I been referring to the armed Christian resistance to systematic religious persecution. Nevertheless, many of the counter-arguments to self-defense have been on that basis. I ask that logic and reason prevail upon the mind of the wandering reader who stumbles across this ridiculous thread.
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08-16-2007, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Paul cast out demons too. Did that prevent him from being attacked or harmed in any way?
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But did he defend himself??
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08-16-2007, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
Why did Peter decide, in that most desperate of moments, to slice off somebody's ear? How was that supposed to help? Was that so the guard wouldn't hear them whispering their escape plans?
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Well if you read EBs posts Peter either lacked faith and or just did not pray 
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-16-2007, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
But did he defend himself??
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That is beside the point. Man you guys are really into obfuscation and red herrings. You just won't engage anyones relevant point will you? :sshhh
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-16-2007, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
It's amazing when people here insist you can't use the OT for anything, yet they'd have no problem using it themselves for other reasons.
BTW your quip about baptism just doesn't make any sense. I view it as a desparate attempt on your part to just obfuscate my point and avoid responding by resorting to red herrings
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Uhh, there is abundance of scripture supporting doing violence to no man. You are the one who is lacking scripture.
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
www.tkburk.com
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08-16-2007, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
That is beside the point. Man you guys are really into obfuscation and red herrings. You just won't engage anyones relevant point will you? :sshhh
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Okay, I am all yours. What is the point.
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
www.tkburk.com
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08-16-2007, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
NT SCRIPTURE??
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When did God change?
He told David to "PURSUE." David did not pursue with spit balls. Trust me. He pursued under the direction of a N.T. God, with SWORDS, after which death and destruction followed in the wake of that order from God to PURSUE.
The God of David who slew the giant, and the God of the Angel that killed 183,000 in one night, and the God of Samuel who hacked down Agag the king with with Saul's own sword as he watched, IS THE NEW TESTAMENT GOD. Trust me on this! It is the truth.
Now if we want to get real silly, we might even demand to see where standing in defese of your family is found in the book of JUDE! Ha! Or where is it commanded in Revelation 22 to be a pacificst? Ha! The fact of the matter is, the God of the OLD TESTAMENT is the same God of the NEW TESTAMENT. Dont' let anyone kid you. Same God! He does not change.
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08-16-2007, 04:37 PM
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Lamb Saved & Shepherd Led
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Well if you read EBs posts Peter either lacked faith and or just did not pray |
Peter was NOT even converted when he did that. Remember, this was pre-pentecost. Try again. 
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
www.tkburk.com
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08-16-2007, 04:37 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
Uhh, there is abundance of scripture supporting doing violence to no man. You are the one who is lacking scripture.
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I didn't say anyone lacked scripture. Are you even reading my posts or are you just replying with random thoughts???
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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