What is an acceptable salary for a Pastor? - Page 11

Praxeas · #**101** 11-12-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

I was listening to someone recently who said he talked with a young man.... or read it somewhere..I can't remember...

The young man came to his Pastor and said," Why isn't God blessing me like he used to... "?

The Pastor said,"Back when you were making 500 bucks a month it was easy to give the Lord 50 Dollars...and you were so faithful... "

and the Pastor continued...
"But now that you make 10000 a month...it is so hard to give the Lord 1000.00... "

He said to the Young Man, "Let's Pray".."Lord help this young man to back to making 500 dollars a month so he can be faithful and you can bless him..."...

Honestly it's HARDER to give 50$ a month when your income is only 500. The more money I end up having the easier it is for me to give more.

Praxeas · #**102** 11-12-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Blsdbeyondmsure

There are specific IRS guidelines for housing & car allowances for ministers. That's typically why housing / car is provided separately from salary.

be nice if everyone got a housing and car allowance separate from their paycheck.

Praxeas · #**103** 11-12-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyman

People don't pay for music at weddings in our neck of the woods...so I don't do em'!
I also pretty much "volunteer" as a music director while those State-side doing much less, make a whole bunch more than I do...It's all good...I WILL get a reward someday, a solid gold Fender Telecaster in heaven with a Marshall Stack, woohoo!

uh...stateside they are NOT all getting money for doing that

pastorj · #**104** 11-12-2007, 10:11 PM

I personally know that if I took all the tithes at our church, it would never make me rich, but it sure enough would shut down the church... first the lights, then the phone... you get the idea. I take a set amount per week, but that amount is at my discretion and there has never been a question about it.

However, God ALWAYS rewards givers and as one older gentleman in my church told me, "You're robbing our church of blessings because you don't teach on giving often enough." Point taken... I'm trying harder.

There is one thing I have found that really intrigues me though. The people who give little or nothing are ALWAYS the ones who are concerned about where the money goes and who gets it and how much they get. Those who give to the church 'cheerfully' and sacrificially, seldom, if ever, have any questions about the finances.

God takes care of those who take care of his business... and that is not ONLY the pastor. It is the congregation also...

#**105** 11-13-2007, 12:48 PM

Pastors should be poor, it keeps them humble.

Halelujah, can I get a witness!

just kidding

chseeads · #**106** 11-13-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pastorj

There is one thing I have found that really intrigues me though. The people who give little or nothing are ALWAYS the ones who are concerned about where the money goes and who gets it and how much they get. Those who give to the church 'cheerfully' and sacrificially, seldom, if ever, have any questions about the finances.

Amen to that....

LaGirl · #**107** 11-13-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1

Most preachers in the UPC are under compensated...but I have been told that some of the top UPC evangelist do make right up near 6 figures.....but most do not.

Many churches UPC still pay in the $600 range for a week, which is what I was being paid 20 years ago (and is not enough)...when I left the field in 1995 I was making more than that on average because of several churches in my annual schedule that paid considerably more--but it was not uncommon to schedule a whole week in a church and get $150....pulling a 5th wheel trailer to get to those churches usually put us in the hole for the week maybe even the month....

our youth pastor gets more than that.....not counting the perks....

triumphant1 · #**108** 11-13-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

be nice if everyone got a housing and car allowance separate from their paycheck.

In fact there are many occupations that give "non-taxable" and "above salary" benefits to the employees who hold positions in the company that warrant it.

Many have the privilege of driving company cars...including police officers who in most cases are allowed to take their police car home...no one is complaining though...

College presidents...and upper level coaching staffs...get housing and car allowances many time while working at STATE OWNED UNIVERSITIES being supplemented by YOUR TAX DOLLARS...which ends up being more annually then your tithe and offerings combined...no one is complaining though..

The congressman (as well as governor, state reps, mayors, on and on gov. leaders) who started the probe of the 5 ministries....subsidised living expenses are common as well as travel expenses including cars and drivers as to not make the dear congressman have to drive himself...all paid by you being in a tax bracket and having your paycheck fleeced every week....no one is complaining though...

Funny thing too, we have NO CHOICE but to pay for the govs and the universities perks through taxes...but NO ONE is going to JAIL if they don't give to the church!!!! It is a willful choice!!! And no one is complaining about or even noticing that?

Most small business owners are allowed a car or multiple cars purchased through the business for their use....not complaining...

Oh...lets not leave out the car dealership employees that drive news cars for a year and then turn them back in as "certified"...to get a new one...who's complaining about that...

The fact of the matter is most churches appreciate their pastor enough to give him the same treatment he'd get if he were the CEO or CFO or President of a secular business...and the IRS allows the church...just like the universities and other businesses...to give the pastor a salary package that includes acceptable non-taxable compensation.

Look at it this way:

If you are the pastor of said church...you will get x number of dollars...but instead of them giving it to the pastor all in taxable cash...the IRS allows the church to reserve a portion of that income as "housing" and a portion as "car allowance" because traditionally the church would provide a "parsonage" owned by the church and some form of transportation. The car allowances are the same for the pastor as they are for any of the rest out there who drive a company car.

All of this is completely legal and above board....

But the truth is there are many jobs out there that hire the best employees and leaders by offering company perks above salary...but it is only the pastor that gets criticized for it....shameful.

Monkeyman · #**109** 11-13-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

uh...stateside they are NOT all getting money for doing that

Thank you for pointing that out, I mean to say, "I know of some.." You are correct, there are MANY who either volunteer or are pretty much volunteering.

I know some who have HUGE music departments who basically volunteer while I know some who do VERY little and get paid $$$.

MrsMcD · #**110** 11-13-2007, 04:52 PM

A prospective pastor was asked this question by the board. The pastor's answer was "just the tithe."