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Old 03-26-2007, 10:12 PM
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And just to be fair, some have used it as reason to be as lliberal as they like and feel that should be alright.

Both sides are wrong for so doing.

Personally, I firmly believe the statement dealt specifically with the differences between the PCI and PAJC salvation differences. It has metamorphosed to cover everything else.

We know the "faith" is what was in question. They felt they were close enough together to merge and allow a unity of spirit to work in them until they came to a unity, or agreement, of what "the faith" was.

My post bringing in jewelry was for the specific purpose of getting some to question it and then to show that it would be wrong to use the statment as ana dovocation or defense of particular holiness stances. Again, this is all hypotheses in my part. But it is interesting that when we read any account of the merger none seem to mention "holiness" issues. They all reference the doctrinal difference.
I agree that this statement was originally written because of the difference in PCI vs PAJC doctrinal views on when salvation is afforded to us.

However, there is no way that these level-headed men would have thought that one day they would come to some type of agreement on when salvation happens ... one would have to make major leaps in compromising doctrine.

They already agreed on major points of doctrine at the time of the merger:
1. The Oneness of God
2. Baptism in Jesus name
3. Baptism of the Holy Ghost w/ evidence of speaking in tongues

This was had to be a major selling point for the merger.

Again, I think the clause was included to promote respect and tolerance while not contending for views.

Furthermore, I think history shows us that the AS resolution was a final crowning moment for those who did not want PCIers in the org.
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Old 03-26-2007, 09:46 PM
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Frank I thought you died or something,maybe you joined the ACOP?
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Old 03-26-2007, 09:50 PM
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I saw a picture of NA Urshan with cufflinks on. I think it was in Bro.Yohe's book about the lighthouse ranch.I think it was the picture of NAU riding the mechanical bull.
I saw a picture of Elder S.Chambers with cufflinks too.
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Old 03-26-2007, 10:38 PM
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I saw a picture of NA Urshan with cufflinks on. I think it was in Bro.Yohe's book about the lighthouse ranch.I think it was the picture of NAU riding the mechanical bull.
I saw a picture of Elder S.Chambers with cufflinks too.
well, I hope they repented of that and got right with God before they died.
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Old 03-26-2007, 09:53 PM
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Bro.Frank are doing ok?I haven't seen you on a message board in a long while.
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TF, makes a strong argument in his book that the intent of Westburg's and AS was directed at pruning the PCIers ... I think the proof is in looking at some of the prominent PCIers that dropped out as a result of the AS... coincidence ... I think not.
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Old 03-26-2007, 10:24 PM
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TF, makes a strong argument in his book that the intent of Westburg's and AS was directed at pruning the PCIers ... I think the proof is in looking at some of the prominent PCIers that dropped out as a result of the AS... coincidence ... I think not.
Not sure we can really look at that as definitive proof. It definitely is TF's opinion.
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Old 03-26-2007, 10:27 PM
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Not sure we can really look at that as definitive proof. It definitely is TF's opinion.
He has many sources and interviews on both side... on the subject .... of the 1992 AS ... I don't know if you would call simply HIS OPINION.

I think I'll start a thread to examine this ... further
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Old 03-26-2007, 10:28 PM
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He has many sources and interviews on both side... on the subject .... of the 1992 AS ... I don't know if you would call simply HIS OPINION.

I think I'll start a thread to examine this ... further

Go ahead. Enjoy it. Been there. Done that. Don't want the T-shirt.

No offense intended, but we will always come back to the "bias" and "agenda" of any writer. This is just one I have no interest in tackling again.
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It's bad when you're debating cuff links ....
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