Loren Yadon's: Tragedies of War????

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

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So, to recap what I believe - Your sins are forgiven at repentance and remitted at Baptism.
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But, the word translated "remission" in Acts 2:38 is translated "forgiveness" in other places in the KJV.
And, in some versions of the Bible, the word "forgiveness" is used in Acts 2:38.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You're playing like a politician, Daniel! You call 3-steppers heretical, which as Mizpeh said is just as divisive. A "spirit" of divisiveness doesn't have to be attributed to a demonic spirit, solely. It is, in more cases than not, a human trait and agenda induced.

I didn't mean it as a trait or an attitude but just as I wrote it...a literal demonic spirit. And let me clarify...I'm not saying that Dan is possessed.

We wrestle not against flesh and blood....there are powers of darkness that seek to destroy the church and they haven't changed their tactics over the thousands of years since Adam and Eve sinned in the garden. There are spirits that cause division. 1 Cor 3:1-4, James 3:13-18

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I didn't mean it as a trait or an attitude but just as I wrote it...a literal demonic spirit. And let me clarify...I'm not saying that Dan is possessed.

We wrestle not against flesh and blood....there are powers of darkness that seek to destroy the church and they haven't changed their tactics over the thousands of years since Adam and Eve sinned in the garden. There are spirits that cause division. 1 Cor 3:1-4, James 3:13-18

Thanks for the clarification!! Daniel may have been right - I may have jumped the gun on that one and it wasn't about when our sins are remitted! LOL!

I do agree with you though - it's a huge feeling of divisiveness. Not a good thing at all!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Played with by a demonic spirit??? Literally???

Dan, imo, you are being led, influenced, by a spirit who wants to cause division. You are not trying to bring the body of Christ together (that was the purpose of the merger) but split it apart even more. That's the way I see it and it isn't that hard to see. You're intents may be pure but what will become of all this (calling three steppers HERETICS) is not of God. Our God is a God of love, peace, humility etc. Where are the fruits of the Spirit displayed in what you are doing? James 3:13-18

You continue to play martyr and continue to use aspersions like wolf in sheeps clothing and demonically influenced to marginalize

Dan, you know I didn't call you a wolf in sheep's clothing. I asked if you were a wolf in sheep's clothing in reponse to what Ed said:

Is this true, Dan? Are you a wolf in sheep's clothing?
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=116

Shameful and degrading ... and rooted in BITTERNESS over a thread that "you got over" yet reference incessantly.

I'm not bitter, Dan. I would have never brought up that thread if you hadn't accused me of avoiding a direct question (Mizpeh do you really believe in the heretical doctrine that sins are only forgiven after repentance + baptism?) and being a false witness in this post of yours:
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=151

You want hyper-spirtualize these discussions ... go ahead. Even if logic and decorum escape you.

Really? is calling someone a heretic a example of decorum?

I totally understand the love and emotionalism you have for your paradigm.

This isn't about my love for a paradigm which is a side issue as far as I'm concerned. Truly what we are talking about here is the wrong/evil that was perpetrated upon the PCI brethren back in 1992 and a backlash now which resembles the same spirit that was the root of what happened then...a spirit of division causing more discord in the body of Christ. There must be a better way, Dan.

I will consider your thoughts and ask you consider your root of bitterness ....

Dan, if you never answer my posts on that thread, it will not bother me because I'm not bitter towards you. And frankly, I know what I believe and why I believe it from the word of God. But it's the very principle of the initial post you made on that thread which continues on in your agenda of divisiveness. Here I'll save you the trouble, this is what you said:

Sniff ... sniff ... sniff ...

FALSE DOCTRINE ALERT!!!!

You stand with the Roman church on that one, Mizzy ...

Not even Bernard or most of the 3 step crowd has gone that haywire.

Do you agree w/ Mizpeh in her new-fangled 3 step doctrine that our sins are not forgiven at repentance?

I answered your accusations. You didn't respond. But can you see any signs of an attempt at unity in the wording of this post?

knowing that after being a former atheist and being faced with the facts and even the Word .... perhaps your paradigm that dates to last century has doctrinal flaws ..... can be impossible to reconcile in your own mind.

I wonder if your faith can stretch, Mizzy.

Dan, you spout off this stuff..."your paradigm that dates to the last century has doctrinal flaws" and "being a former atheist"...what in the world are you talking about. What do they have to do with each other?

I will be praying for you that God will show you what spirit you are of. God bless you in your walk with him and unite our hearts in love to do his will and honor the One who died for us.

[mizpeh]

Dan, I didn't say you were demonically oppressed, either. Please get it straight. Anyone can be influenced by the devil. Even the apostle Peter. Even Job's wife.

I also didn't say you were a wolf in sheep's clothing. I asked if you were a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I see you doing to the body of Christ what Westburg and his buddies did to it (not saying the UPC is the complete body of Christ) attempting to divide it and not unite it. And I believe a demonic spirit is behind any attempt to divide the church.

What have I said that deserves a public apology?

[mizpeh]

IMO, the new birth is complete by obeying Acts 2:38 but the new birth is not salvation. Salvation and justification are processes we go through until we are handed that crown of life. Here's a short video by a Reformed Evangelical that describes salvation. I would disagree with him when he says justification is a one time event because the Bible speaks of it in past, present, and future tenses as well. Gal 2:17, Rom 5:1, Rom 5:9, 1 Cor 6:11, Titus 3:7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dxcTkqrriM

[Innocuous]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

IMO, the new birth is complete by obeying Acts 2:38 but the new birth is not salvation. Salvation and justification are processes we go through until we are handed that crown of life. Here's a short video by a Reformed Evangelical that describes salvation. I would disagree with him when he says justification is a one time event because the Bible speaks of it in past, present, and future tenses as well. Gal 2:17, Rom 5:1, Rom 5:9, 1 Cor 6:11, Titus 3:7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dxcTkqrriM

You know Miz, for a woman you sure know you're theology. (hehe, i enjoy being a chauvanistic sexist pig every once in awhile. . love ya and admire ya. )

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Innocuous

You know Miz, for a woman you sure know you're theology. (hehe, i enjoy being a chauvanistic sexist pig every once in awhile. . love ya and admire ya. )

Hmmm, I guess that is a compliment?

[Innocuous]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Hmmm, I guess that is a compliment?

Yes, it is. You're sharp.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Innocuous

You know Miz, for a woman you sure know you're theology. (hehe, i enjoy being a chauvanistic sexist pig every once in awhile. . love ya and admire ya. )

^^^Politically Incorrect Post of The Week.