Ok I have never taught the standards to anyone! I teach children and that is up to the pastor and parents not me.
Now on to the original post.
I did not come on here for a pat ont he back or comfort, I came to vent a bit. I would never cause problems with my church so when people email me or call me I thank them for their concern and let it go....This mornign was rough and I had someone telling me that If I leave I am unusable by God and it got to me so I came on here to vent..thats it!
Ferd,mizpeh,jfrog,the legalist..Im fine and I understand what you are saying but PLEASE listen once more...Its not the fact thay they are upset or conerned that is shocking or hurtful but its how they are going about it that. No matter how MANNED up I am...speaking negatively about a member of your church, slamming them at the table after dinner, emailing them and advising them they are on a train to hell is not the CORRECT way to handle their shock and hurt that Im leaving. Its ok to pray for me and my family, thats great and appreciated but keep it at that...
Never said the negative they are doing toward you are ok... I don't like it at all. Keep your head up and simply pray and let God do his will no matter where you are at.
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Ok I have never taught the standards to anyone! I teach children and that is up to the pastor and parents not me.
Now on to the original post.
I did not come on here for a pat ont he back or comfort, what's so wrong if you DID want a pat on the back and a little comfort???? I came to vent a bit. I would never cause problems with my church so when people email me or call me I thank them for their concern and let it go....This mornign was rough and I had someone telling me that If I leave I am unusable by God and it got to me so I came on here to vent..thats it! In other's experience, this isn't uncommon, sadly. And even if you had heard of this before, it's shocking on a whole new level when it's happening to you
Ferd,mizpeh,jfrog,the legalist..Im fine and I understand what you are saying but PLEASE listen once more...Its not the fact thay they are upset or conerned that is shocking or hurtful but its how they are going about it that. No matter how MANNED up I am...speaking negatively about a member of your church, slamming them at the table after dinner, emailing them and advising them they are on a train to hell is not the CORRECT way to handle their shock and hurt that Im leaving. Its ok to pray for me and my family, thats great and appreciated but keep it at that...
Ferd will just say your childish for even voicing your concerns and feelings.
Save your breath.
Fact is, both he and Mizpeh questioned the credibility of your post to begin with. That was the real issue.
Ok I have never taught the standards to anyone! I teach children and that is up to the pastor and parents not me.
Now on to the original post.
I did not come on here for a pat ont he back or comfort, I came to vent a bit. I would never cause problems with my church so when people email me or call me I thank them for their concern and let it go....This mornign was rough and I had someone telling me that If I leave I am unusable by God and it got to me so I came on here to vent..thats it!
Ferd,mizpeh,jfrog,the legalist..Im fine and I understand what you are saying but PLEASE listen once more...Its not the fact thay they are upset or conerned that is shocking or hurtful but its how they are going about it that. No matter how MANNED up I am...speaking negatively about a member of your church, slamming them at the table after dinner, emailing them and advising them they are on a train to hell is not the CORRECT way to handle their shock and hurt that Im leaving. Its ok to pray for me and my family, thats great and appreciated but keep it at that...
They may truly believe you are on a train to hell by dropping standards. You understand that, right?
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Yes and thats fine but its in how they handle it that matters.
If you understand that they think you are lost by going to a church that doesn't teach the same doctrine, then perhaps, you can look past some of the things they say, knowing why they say them, and show them love and pray the very best God has for them. You have to give an account for your attitude and actions not theirs.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Ok I have never taught the standards to anyone! I teach children and that is up to the pastor and parents not me.
Now on to the original post.
I did not come on here for a pat ont he back or comfort, I came to vent a bit. I would never cause problems with my church so when people email me or call me I thank them for their concern and let it go....This mornign was rough and I had someone telling me that If I leave I am unusable by God and it got to me so I came on here to vent..thats it!
Ferd,mizpeh,jfrog,the legalist..Im fine and I understand what you are saying but PLEASE listen once more...Its not the fact thay they are upset or conerned that is shocking or hurtful but its how they are going about it that. No matter how MANNED up I am...speaking negatively about a member of your church, slamming them at the table after dinner, emailing them and advising them they are on a train to hell is not the CORRECT way to handle their shock and hurt that Im leaving. Its ok to pray for me and my family, thats great and appreciated but keep it at that...
You're right, it's not okay. It's unfortunate that some Christians don't understand that.
I agree with Ferd. Though when you are in the process of leaving it is hard to understand the other side.
The difference in Jeffery's approach compared to Ferds is...
Jeffery is saying yep all those people are just mean and nasty and aren't acting like they should.
Ferd is explaining why those people are being the way they are and saying that they are acting exactly the way they should.
At least thats what I am getting out of it.
A lion is a lion, a tiger is a tiger, a croc is a croc, and a UC is a UC. They are all the way they are. It is the nature of the beast, etc, etc. I agree with Ferd (and you).
I agree with Ferd. Though when you are in the process of leaving it is hard to understand the other side.
The difference in Jeffery's approach compared to Ferds is...
Jeffery is saying yep all those people are just mean and nasty and aren't acting like they should.
Ferd is explaining why those people are being the way they are and saying that they are acting exactly the way they should.
At least thats what I am getting out of it.
Re-read his opening post again. That's not what he said.
And I "understand" WHY as well. But I'm acknowledging his emotion at the moment. It's not about WHY. You could tell me WHY Nazi Germans felt Jews were dogs. I don't have to re-hash all that in every instance. It's just shameful and wrong. End of story.
This guy has close friends writing him off and praying for his soul. He's shocked. If your advice is a kick between the legs and a "MAN UP" bumper sticker, then more power to you.
Ok, Ok...................I am not trying to talk out of both sides of my mouth........But, i will
say that when I decided to leave what some call the Mothership, traditions, etc..you
get the picture.
I was UPC the first 36 yrs. of my life. I am now 39. When I turned 30(having been in
pulpit ministry since my early twenties) I started scratching my head about some of
beliefs.
So. Guess what? For around 6 yrs. I just stayed where I was. Great church. I was
there 20 plus years. I had been in every part of ministry except being actually the Pastor.
I was still preaching the same way I had always preached. I would often talk with some
of my minister friends, who felt the same way I felt. They were just afraid to Rock the
Boat!!!
Got to admit it to you guys. It was tough trying to decide to leave a church that I had
been part of for so long.
But, it made it a lot easier when they ask one of the associate pastors wife to take
her hair down, and put it on a girls shoulder so she could be healed!!!
Oh sure, I talked with the pastor, went through the whole thing of ,what made you
all of a sudden stop believing standards?
I just looked at him..................yep just like that. Keep in mind that my whole family
is in the ministry. Served on the district board. I knew everyone.
So when I made that leap of faith.................I have never looked back. I love my family.
but its not the same. I knew that when I left.
So yes. I knew they would be hurt, I would feel hurt. I would feel like they didnt love
me anymore. But really, they were just dissappointed in me. Trust Me. You can't help
but love a guy like me!! LOL..........
Ok, Ok...................I am not trying to talk out of both sides of my mouth........But, i will
say that when I decided to leave what some call the Mothership, traditions, etc..you
get the picture.
I was UPC the first 36 yrs. of my life. I am now 39. When I turned 30(having been in
pulpit ministry since my early twenties) I started scratching my head about some of
beliefs.
So. Guess what? For around 6 yrs. I just stayed where I was. Great church. I was
there 20 plus years. I had been in every part of ministry except being actually the Pastor.
I was still preaching the same way I had always preached. I would often talk with some
of my minister friends, who felt the same way I felt. They were just afraid to Rock the
Boat!!!
Got to admit it to you guys. It was tough trying to decide to leave a church that I had
been part of for so long.
But, it made it a lot easier when they ask one of the associate pastors wife to take
her hair down, and put it on a girls shoulder so she could be healed!!!
Oh sure, I talked with the pastor, went through the whole thing of ,what made you
all of a sudden stop believing standards?
I just looked at him..................yep just like that. Keep in mind that my whole family
is in the ministry. Served on the district board. I knew everyone.
So when I made that leap of faith.................I have never looked back. I love my family.
but its not the same. I knew that when I left.
So yes. I knew they would be hurt, I would feel hurt. I would feel like they didnt love
me anymore. But really, they were just dissappointed in me. Trust Me. You can't help
but love a guy like me!! LOL..........
This is an awesome post! Well said.
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