Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?

Jermyn Davidson · #1 12-15-2012, 07:59 AM

Recently, I went back to visit my former Pastor's church for Wed night service. I loved being there and loved listening to his teaching. I felt at home, and there was no pressure from people asking a whole bunch of questions. It seemed like this was where I belonged.

I can explain away, look the other way, agree to disagree with most of my objections with the doctrines of the American 21st century Apostolic churches I've had the privilege of being a member of.

However, I am having a great deal of difficulty accepting that the Bible teaches that one MUST speak in tongues in order to be saved, or to show proof that one is saved.

I find this idea simply unbiblical. I am thinking about going back to visit this Sunday morning. Part of me thinks I am setting myself up for failure and pain again, as it was a personally agonizing decision to leave in the first place.

I miss my former Pastor and my former church.

But why should I even go back to visit when I already know the deal with these precious people and their doctrine?

This thread is pointless. Been down this road mentally how many times? But I sure do miss my former Pastor.

Why do Apostolics teach that a Christian must speak in tongues in the course of one's salvation?

trialedbyfire · #2 12-15-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Recently, I went back to visit my former Pastor's church for Wed night service. I loved being there and loved listening to his teaching. I felt at home, and there was no pressure from people asking a whole bunch of questions. It seemed like this was where I belonged.

I can explain away, look the other way, agree to disagree with most of my objections with the doctrines of the American 21st century Apostolic churches I've had the privilege of being a member of.

However, I am having a great deal of difficulty accepting that the Bible teaches that one MUST speak in tongues in order to be saved, or to show proof that one is saved.

I find this idea simply unbiblical. I am thinking about going back to visit this Sunday morning. Part of me thinks I am setting myself up for failure and pain again, as it was a personally agonizing decision to leave in the first place.

I miss my former Pastor and my former church.

But why should I even go back to visit when I already know the deal with these precious people and their doctrine?

This thread is pointless. Been down this road mentally how many times? But I sure do miss my former Pastor.

Why do Apostolics teach that a Christian must speak in tongues in the course of one's salvation?

Ask your pastor...

Dordrecht · #3 12-15-2012, 09:35 AM

Speaking in tongues is evidence
of being baptized with the Holy Spirit.

I agree with you, it's not a requirement
for salvation.

I love (some) United Pentecostal Churches
and have good friends there.

Believe me, I know your situation.

odooley6985 · #4 12-21-2012, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Speaking in tongues is evidence
of being baptized with the Holy Spirit.

I agree with you, it's not a requirement
for salvation.

I love (some) United Pentecostal Churches
and have good friends there.

Believe me, I know your situation.

I believe this with all my heart. This is biblical. That being said, I feel that this is the initial sign of being filled with the spirit. I also believe that even more important is bearing the fruits of the spirit. To me you can speak in tongues all you want, but if you dont have love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance, all of your speaking in tongues is in vain cause you dont really have the spirit or a real walk with GOD.

seekerman · #5 12-15-2012, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Recently, I went back to visit my former Pastor's church for Wed night service. I loved being there and loved listening to his teaching. I felt at home, and there was no pressure from people asking a whole bunch of questions. It seemed like this was where I belonged.

I can explain away, look the other way, agree to disagree with most of my objections with the doctrines of the American 21st century Apostolic churches I've had the privilege of being a member of.

However, I am having a great deal of difficulty accepting that the Bible teaches that one MUST speak in tongues in order to be saved, or to show proof that one is saved.

I find this idea simply unbiblical. I am thinking about going back to visit this Sunday morning. Part of me thinks I am setting myself up for failure and pain again, as it was a personally agonizing decision to leave in the first place.

I miss my former Pastor and my former church.

But why should I even go back to visit when I already know the deal with these precious people and their doctrine?

This thread is pointless. Been down this road mentally how many times? But I sure do miss my former Pastor.

Why do Apostolics teach that a Christian must speak in tongues in the course of one's salvation?

The so-called, self-labeled 'Apostolics' teach that because they do not understand, or outright reject, the redemptive power of the blood of the Lamb of God. They cannot reconcile the teaching of tongues with the sufficiency of the blood of the Lamb.

I'm using the term "salvation" as I think 'Apostolics' would use it, i.e., that the individual would not go to hell but to heaven upon death. In reality, there is a difference between redemption and salvation. But that's for another thread.

trialedbyfire · #6 12-15-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

The so-called, self-labeled 'Apostolics' teach that because they do not understand, or outright reject, the redemptive power of the blood of the Lamb of God. They cannot reconcile the teaching of tongues with the sufficiency of the blood of the Lamb.

I'm using the term "salvation" as I think 'Apostolics' would use it, i.e., that the individual would not go to hell but to heaven upon death. In reality, there is a difference between redemption and salvation. But that's for another thread.

WOW! What a reach!

KeptByTheWord · #7 12-15-2012, 10:33 AM

I understand your dilemma too. If you can just attend the church, hear the word, and not desire to be a part of the "platform" standards, perhaps you would be fine there? If they are sweet kind loving people, perhaps if you stayed off the "platform" or any kind of ministry within the church, you would be okay? I don't know the answers for you, but I certainly understand the difficulty in this decision.

Perhaps you should visit with the pastor and just be forthright and honest with him about how you feel?

ILG · #8 12-15-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I understand your dilemma too. If you can just attend the church, hear the word, and not desire to be a part of the "platform" standards, perhaps you would be fine there? If they are sweet kind loving people, perhaps if you stayed off the "platform" or any kind of ministry within the church, you would be okay? I don't know the answers for you, but I certainly understand the difficulty in this decision.

Perhaps you should visit with the pastor and just be forthright and honest with him about how you feel?

That could be dangerous if he really wants to be accepted there. If he wants to go and be a part, he might be best to keep his thoughts to himself.....

KeptByTheWord · #9 12-15-2012, 10:41 AM

Yep. Really a tough thing, no matter what.

Dordrecht · #10 12-15-2012, 11:11 AM

We are connected with three UPC Churches,
two of these we still attend, not often because
of very long distance, but we go there
as much as we can.

The third one we gave up on for good.
We were told, in no uncertain terms,
we are not saved.

We are baptized with the Holy Spirit,
we speak in tongues.....

But hey....we NEED to believe as THEY do,
and confirm it's a condition for salvation.
Sad story, but true.

Apparently what Christ did on the Cross
is not enough.