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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Sorry, I saw that you later corrected it, I should have kept reading but I couldn't help myself. lol

You know those Aliens from another planet only have 4 fingers

[votivesoul]

God killed Uzzah for what may seem like a technicality. And it was someone else's FAULT!

How much of a slippery slope does anyone really want to stand on when it comes to their salvation? Just so they can nitpick away at what they perceive to be a technicality?

Technically an R rated movie with graphic sex scenes is not pornography since it's not really happening in the truest sense.

A technicality? You bet, if you want to split hairs like that. Doesn't make the first morally acceptable before God to watch, however.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

God killed Uzzah for what may seem like a technicality. And it was someone else's FAULT!

How much of a slippery slope does anyone really want to stand on when it comes to their salvation? Just so they can nitpick away at what they perceive to be a technicality?

Technically an R rated movie with graphic sex scenes is not pornography since it's not really happening in the truest sense.

A technicality? You bet, if you want to split hairs like that. Doesn't make the first morally acceptable before God to watch, however.

Ummmm, trying to make a point out of God killing a man for something someone else done isn't a good starting place for a point...

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Ummmm, trying to make a point out of God killing a man for something someone else done isn't a good starting place for a point...

In relationship to someone else mis-speaking during a water immersion and how it may affect someone's eternal salvation being considered a mere technicality, it makes perfect sense.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

In relationship to someone else mis-speaking during a water immersion and how it may affect someone's eternal salvation being considered a mere technicality, it makes perfect sense.

Ah yes, the fickle God!

[votivesoul]

Moses missed the Promised Land because of a fickle God. After a lifetime of faithful obedience and sacrifice one act of disobedience cost him.

Not to mention King Saul, who lost the kingdom and ended up afflicted by an evil spirit sent to him by God, because he didn't perfectly obey what the man of God commanded.

Onan died at the hands of a fickle God.

So did Ananias and Sapphira. For one lie, while under the New Covenant as Spirit-filled believers. Even though Peter lied about knowing who Jesus was, just a few months before. How many saints since them have lied at least once and had mercy instead of lethal judgment extended to them?

And King Herod. Because someone else worshipped him. Even though John worshipped the angel in Revelation and was rebuked. And yet, entire churches nowadays and since forever have been worshipping preachers during a sermon and gee, God doesn't whack them.

That fickle, fickle God!

[shazeep]

(surely someone <else> will come to God's defense here)

[ILG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No, I am saying that the bible is speaking highly and positively about what we must do to be saved, and you are making it out that it is a labour wortghy of misery because of the preachers who unwisely affected you to be hurt by those thoughts of what we must do to be saved. You are too subjective and not being objective enough to think that perhaps your reactions just may not validate your viewpoint.

I disagree. I was looking back in hindsight and I could clearly see that it had negatively affected me, even though I was looking at it from a positive standpoint for many, many years....the same viewpoint you have now. To say it differently, I NEVER saw it negatively until I realized that it had had a horrible affect on me, one I refused to see because I was afraid of hell, being lost and possibly just being falsely accused of what you are basically saying right now....that I am making it out to be a "labor of misery". My point is that I don't believe it is salvational. I believe salvation is by grace through faith, period and putting qualifiers on it such as that the preacher has to say something special over you in order to be saved, seems pretty ridiculous to me now. I think it is actually a scary thing to think and do, to make salvation something that happens apart from your own heart and walk with God.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

God killed Uzzah for what may seem like a technicality. And it was someone else's FAULT!

How much of a slippery slope does anyone really want to stand on when it comes to their salvation? Just so they can nitpick away at what they perceive to be a technicality?

Technically an R rated movie with graphic sex scenes is not pornography since it's not really happening in the truest sense.

A technicality? You bet, if you want to split hairs like that. Doesn't make the first morally acceptable before God to watch, however.

Who is actually doing the hair splitting? I think it is splitting hairs to say you can repent, be baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost and still be lost because the preacher did not say the right things. For it is by grace you are saved by faith.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Ah yes, the fickle God!

And that is the whole point. I lived in fear after I was told I wasn't saved after I indeed had been saved because I believed God was terribly fickle. I don't believe that anymore. I am happy I have assurance and don't live in fear. A fickle God produces fear. Some will focus on the parts of the Bible that produce fear in people and some will focus on the parts that produce assurance and compassion. Having lived the first way for many years, I found it to be a bad thing and would rather focus on the goodness of God.