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04-07-2015, 08:31 AM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
G.S. the congregants dont belong to the pastors. How can they fight over something thats not theirs?
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04-07-2015, 08:31 AM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
Think about it hard bro.(meanwhile, folks are lost)
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04-07-2015, 08:42 AM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
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G.S. the congregants dont belong to the pastors. How can they fight over something thats not theirs?
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I agree with that, but it still happens. There is human element in everything we do and bylaws are to protect. I have had people who have left our church when I first began pastoring here who I hated to see go, but I still showed them kindness and we split paths on good terms. I hope they are doing well. There are some people in our church who I have recommended them go to another church because of it being more convenient on their travel time. They are not a problem either, but I would rather someone be somewhere else then to be overstretched by a long drive and quit altogether.
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04-07-2015, 08:45 AM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
The name of the game is treat folks right and teach them truth, then they will WANT to hang with you.
If there are 2 churches across the street from each other(one yours), true love will draw the souls to your congregation.
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04-07-2015, 08:46 AM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
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One reason I think the UPC and ALJC might not want to merge is because (correct me if I'm wrong)
Is that the UPCI has certain "territorial" influences that wont allow other UPCI pastors within there "boundaries".
So if a UPC minister wanted to start a fellowship in the "area",
They have to "ask" permission from headquarters: who in turn ask permission from the pastor in that territory to have another pastor come into that Pastor's "territory".
That can be blessing or curse depending on who's sort of in charge of that "territory".
Or in some circumstances that particular territorial pastor may offer the proposing minister to be a daughter work in rare cases.
That way all the Tithes of all the "Territorial" pastors discretion would still come directly to him if any church members of his were to go there. (yes.. you heard that correctly: the Tithes would go to The Leading Pastor)
I hear some if these ole boys (pastors) can get rather unreasonable and downright stingy about there territories which in turn can hurt the growth of the kingdom of God.
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This is true! I know this from personal experience. Growing up, there was a church in a metro area whose Pastor was on the DB and would fight any time someone wanted to start a church near his. AFAIK, there still isn't a church within 10 miles because won't allow it.
Also, the last UPC church I attended, before I left the UPC, had a big fight with another Pastor who did not want the church to be located where it was, because it was within 5 miles of his church.
It's funny you mention daughter works, because this Pastor said the only way he'd allow it is if it was a daughter work of the church he Pastored. And a portion of the tithes would go to him.
He ended up losing the fight when the DB ruled against him and told the other Pastor he could go ahead and start a church at the location he wanted.
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04-07-2015, 08:50 AM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
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Originally Posted by Sean
The name of the game is treat folks right and teach them truth, then they will WANT to hang with you.
If there are 2 churches across the street from each other(one yours), true love will draw the souls to your congregation.
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true that!
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04-10-2015, 09:41 PM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
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I don't believe this information is correct. I've been in the UPC my whole life, and I've never heard this. I will attempt to confirm this information, but I doubt it's veracity. I'm not accusing you of lying, I just believe you're misinformed and/or misunderstand.
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With all due respect:
Please do inform me.
I will gladly correct any misinformation.
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04-10-2015, 10:29 PM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
The facts are correct.
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04-13-2015, 07:20 PM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
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I don't believe this information is correct. I've been in the UPC my whole life, and I've never heard this. I will attempt to confirm this information, but I doubt it's veracity. I'm not accusing you of lying, I just believe you're misinformed and/or misunderstand.
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That information is correct. I don't know what the exact criteria is but I do know that a UPC pastor in a town can veto another UPC licensed minister from starting a church there.
You would hope there are limitations so that heavy population centers would allow for a second or third church even if a local pastor doesn't want it.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-13-2015, 08:16 PM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
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Originally Posted by CC1
That information is correct. I don't know what the exact criteria is but I do know that a UPC pastor in a town can veto another UPC licensed minister from starting a church there.
You would hope there are limitations so that heavy population centers would allow for a second or third church even if a local pastor doesn't want it.
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Originally it was the founding pastor but became enlarged.
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