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View Poll Results: Those who never heard - what happens?
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All lost, no exceptions
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Everybody gets saved eventually
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08-18-2016, 04:04 PM
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Re: Those who never heard about Jesus?
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Originally Posted by Antipas
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So, you claim the Bible is filled with contradictions but don't know what "torah" the apostles and Christ were using?
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08-18-2016, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquila
If an understanding is not of God, nothing will become of it. It will fade and die. However, if it is of God, we do well not to fight against it. This takes patience and testing of various understandings and new interpretations.
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Paul says we must compare beliefs with his words. And that requires Spirit's help, and witnessed with others. There's no truth without it written.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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08-18-2016, 04:16 PM
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Re: Those who never heard about Jesus?
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Paul says we must compare beliefs with his words. And that requires Spirit's help, and witnessed with others. There's no truth without it written.
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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08-18-2016, 07:42 PM
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Re: Those who never heard about Jesus?
and My Law will be written on their hearts
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08-18-2016, 08:09 PM
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Re: Those who never heard about Jesus?
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Paul says we must compare beliefs with his words. And that requires Spirit's help, and witnessed with others. There's no truth without it written.
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I agree. The Spirit will always agree with the Scriptures, and the Scriptures will always agree with the Spirit.
However, the Spirit may not always agree with a traditional understanding of the Scriptures. For example, the Spirit and the Scriptures agree on Oneness, though traditional Christology is Trinitarian. To many who originally received the Oneness revelation, the Spirit challenged traditional views about Christ
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08-18-2016, 08:35 PM
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Re: Those who never heard about Jesus?
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Originally Posted by shazeep
and My Law will be written on their hearts
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That means what?
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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08-18-2016, 10:15 PM
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Re: Those who never heard about Jesus?
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I agree. The Spirit will always agree with the Scriptures, and the Scriptures will always agree with the Spirit.
However, the Spirit may not always agree with a traditional understanding of the Scriptures. For example, the Spirit and the Scriptures agree on Oneness, though traditional Christology is Trinitarian. To many who originally received the Oneness revelation, the Spirit challenged traditional views about Christ
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Amen. But my point is saying the Spirit leads alone, without Word, is dangerous.
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...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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08-18-2016, 10:58 PM
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Re: Those who never heard about Jesus?
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08-19-2016, 07:03 AM
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Re: Those who never heard about Jesus?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
That means what?
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"I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. .... law shall be written in their hearts by the finger of the Spirit, as formerly written in the tables of stone." i've heard many explanations, from one of Grace to Christ changing our dna, but the point to make here i think is that just like multiple pastors' unwillingness to honestly relate how they would receive "you are lost" from a sincere...Muslim, say, or even another pastor, so much so that the point is made that they would not take it kindly, it would be dismissed out of hand, it is hearts that have (tacitly) verified the truth of Scripture, and should guide one in interpretation, the Spirit being one's guide, rather than men.
But i don't want to be misconstrued here--lol, as if--but anyway, this doesn't mean that one cannot get agreement or disagreement from the Body that they should heed, imo, as everyone should be open to correction, but i think it does mean that if one has ears to hear, agreement or disagreement will come from the heart, regardless of the words being said. Iow that concept was being verbally disagreed with, amounting to agreement. The truth often becomes evident just by putting the shoe on the other foot.
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08-19-2016, 08:17 AM
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Re: Those who never heard about Jesus?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
That means what?
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His law will be love....
Romans 13:8-10
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Galatians 5:14
14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.
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