The Great Tribulation: Battleground Earth

[Michael The Disciple]

Then I brought up the issue of what makes you think Revelation takes place in a short space all at the end. Upon which you asked for my opinion on the scorpion demons. I asked several times, if you would explain why you think Revelation takes place in a short space of time at the end.

As to why I think it is a short period to the end I gave you my answer in part. Apparently you did not like it.

Here is another part of why I think it will be relatively short.

Note how long the time of the 5th trumpet lasts.

5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

5 months. Were not talking about the trumpets lasting hundreds of years here.

But yes Esaias I have always liked you also. However since neither you or Dom have yet attempted to answer the ONLY question that was relevant to me in this discussion I wont ask again.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, look at this above post.

This is a man who honestly has read the thread, and is explaining to you what was written. You on the other hand is buck dancing. In your post reply to Esaias you played the figure skater, and crawfish. This thread has as its topic YOUR video, concerning YOUR doctrine. Pookey in the other thread about YOUR video, gave you a good teaching stamp of approval. Maybe Pookey is your relative, or you under a different nick. But, you were quick to give an affirmative to Pookey. Meaning, you have no problem with holding a discussions if we were all Fort Lauderdale housewives fawning over your ecclesiastical End Time Marvel Universe. But, once you have to become the TEACHER!!!! You mess your diaper, and wee, wee, wee, all the way home. Be it PalTalk or YouTubes you only want to be the talking head. Unless you are sniveling about to beard or not to beard, then you will be posting answers like a champion. You don't see Dom or Esaias answering your question? Maybe it is because we are sick and tired of self proclaimed BIBLE TEACHERS like you. Who freely take jabs and poo poo around BEING a TEACHER, concerning what THEY SUPPOSEDLY BELIEVE. Mike, get real, you want us to answer your questions so you can post....WRONG, WRONG, WRONG? Without any substantial rebuttal concerning book, chapter, and verse?

Mike, you come from a paradigm where all you see that there is only one guy who teaches a group. You have no eldership in your life, no fellow ministers to tap you on the shoulder and say, "hey bro, that is real far out. You mind explaining that????" No, its just you, your wife and a dog named Boo.

Oh, and slumming at a UPCI church is ZERO accountability. You submit to nothing. You just stand on the sidelines and critique. You are taking in the show, without any skin in the game. You need to JOIN a church family, and submit to the ministry. See the difference?

Dom,

Feel free to post my videos. Its hard to believe your obnoxious spirit is allowed to post here.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

As to why I think it is a short period to the end I gave you my answer in part. Apparently you did not like it.

Here is another part of why I think it will be relatively short.

Note how long the time of the 5th trumpet lasts.



5 months. Were not talking about the trumpets lasting hundreds of years here.

But yes Esaias I have always liked you also. However since neither you or Dom have yet attempted to answer the ONLY question that was relevant to me in this discussion I wont ask again.

Man, cherry picking. 5 months is literally 5 MONTHS??? Wonderful. Therefore when we read, "the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must SHORTLY COME TO PASS; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John." We should accept it to be literally telling the people in the first century that what they were about to be told by the Angel MUST HAPPEN SOON. What we see in this particular verse is that the events are to happen τάχος, which means immediately. But that's not all in Revelation 1:3 we are specifically told how close they were, ἐγγύς to the end, the completion. No way around it, the book of Revelation is talking about urgency to the people living at the time of the Temple. The temple which was being measured out by an angel with a rod for judgement. That my boy, can't possibly happen in our future, because it would be meaningless. CAN'T WAIT, for your video on the third temple.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dom,

Feel free to post my videos. Its hard to believe your obnoxious spirit is allowed to post here.

Mike is our Ecclesiastical Antifa???

You get your voice but don't want opposition. Good job Mike, the best thing is to keep you talking. You are a 24 kt gold wannabe cult leader. You serve the bread, anyone who questions the maggots in the bread, are soon made dead.
I can only imagine what you think about church government. Good God from Zion.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike is our Ecclesiastical Antifa???

You get your voice but don't want opposition. Good job Mike, the best thing is to keep you talking. You are a 24 kt gold wannabe cult leader. You serve the bread, anyone who questions the maggots in the bread, are soon made dead.
I can only imagine what you think about church government. Good God from Zion.

Dom,

Be like Jesus and you'll be all right.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dom,

Be like Jesus and you'll be all right.

Mike, man up, and you’ll be alright.

Sir, there are none so blind who will not see. I guess you aren’t in this to help anyone. Basically, you just talk, you’re a talker. Not a teacher of eschatology.
Because after all, you pepper your supposed teaching with “I don’t know.”
In the backround Tovia Singer is laughing. Listen, not knowing everything isn’t a bad thing, because we all have much to learn. But you, ram it up the tail pipe of those who don’t see it like you. Again, you are a cornbread and butter beans Dispensationalist Pre-Tribulation Rapture believer, the ONLY difference is, you unplug the rapture before the Tribulation and stick it after the Tribulation. Everything else remains the same way Charlie Larkin painted it. You only have to change one thing in your Scofield Bible. You get upset when men are around and point things out to you? No problem, that’s going to continue for the rest of your life. You want to be some sort of Ecclesiastical Antifa where you can usher the opposition off your religious campus of Planet Mike Gibson? That isn’t being very realistic. Be more like Jesus you tell me, but you are too busy throwing me under the 2 Peter blasphemy bus. You know Mike you sure quick to hit someone with the label of blasphemy. You did it to me over your Hebrewisms. I would wager that if you were a pastor you would be loading down the saints something heavy with your to do list. Yes, yes, it has always struck me funny those who come against conservative Apostolics replace the things they rail against with their own religious restrictions. Because after all, this thing is about RELIGION. So Mike, while you tell others to be like Jesus, sweep around your own front door. Instead of the comfort of your religious perch, blasting brand X otology when you don’t have a clue about what you believe.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Futurism's insanities eventually creates preterists, if not atheists.

"The everything is past" is just the flip side of the "everything is future" coin.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by consapente89

I cant figure what is so horrible about "futurism". In it every generation has prophecy they can hope to see come to pass, the greatest Christs coming. Preterism leaves no relevance to ANYONE living after the first century. Partial preterism promotes a "gap" theory of 2000 years from the first century till the rapture. It's effect is exactly that of pre trib rapture. No prophecy to be watching for....just Christ's coming.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I cant figure what is so horrible about "futurism". In it every generation has prophecy they can hope to see come to pass, the greatest Christs coming. Preterism leaves no relevance to ANYONE living after the first century. Partial preterism promotes a "gap" theory of 2000 years from the first century till the rapture. It's effect is exactly that of pre trib rapture. No prophecy to be watching for....just Christ's coming.

Still waiting for your Bible study on the rebuilding of a third temple law system. Which without there can be no futurism. Dispensationalist post Tribulation rapture is an oxymoron.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I cant figure what is so horrible about "futurism". In it every generation has prophecy they can hope to see come to pass, the greatest Christs coming. Preterism leaves no relevance to ANYONE living after the first century. Partial preterism promotes a "gap" theory of 2000 years from the first century till the rapture. It's effect is exactly that of pre trib rapture. No prophecy to be watching for....just Christ's coming.

Proverbs 13:12 Hope deferred maketh the heart sick. only when desire is fulfilled it is the tree of life.