Tithes........

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I understand what the scripture says but in this day and time, we have way more resources (money, etc) than they did in bible days. I think the deceased husband should have made plans for his widow to be taken care. I just don't see it as the churches responsibility.

Gods word pivots on our level of resource?

Have you read in Nehemiah about when he was going to rebuild Jerusalem at the amount of Gold the people gave?

The end result of your statement is exactly in line with what I said in my previous post.

Worldly resources have taken over what God said for the church to fulfill.

One of the results of that is a society who views the church as a sideline because it has ceased to be forefront.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Well, IMO, much of the governmental welfare system is around because of the failure of the church to minister in these areas.

And, again IMO, that facilitates a godless society because they have a godless source where they can go and receive help while the source eminating from the Word of God has shut up its bowels of compassion.

Then you have a society which has seen a church which does not do as God commanded and then they turn and find a government who will help.



Do you think we have any responsibility to God to see that his tithe is handled as he instructed? Or do we simply feel "Well... I handed the cash off.. I have passed the buck... it ain't my problem"?

I think these are serious things to consider.

In our neck of the woods, you just don't question anything the pastor does......or else......even though I think it..... God didn't say to let welfare take care of widows, it said for the church to. THat is another thing that gets me. Welfare was designed to aid people for a temporary moment, not for people to live off of...........and i'm not having a lack of compassion here either....THere are those that need welfare and they are hard workers. It's hard trying to make ends meet in todays world. Especially for single parents...I fully understand that. BUt I also have seen people refuse a second job because that would take away from their foodstamps or whatever....that I do not understand. ANyway, the bible is right....the tithes are supposed to help the widows...........

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I understand what the scripture says but in this day and time, we have way more resources (money, etc) than they did in bible days. I think the deceased husband should have made plans for his widow to be taken care. I just don't see it as the churches responsibility.

If people in this day are able to put up for retirement then the result of that on the church should be that... for that individual... then the need is less or non existant. That would leave more to minister to others.

We should never reach the place where the worlds way of living causes Gods provision to not exist.

Gods provision should always be left in place because mans provision will always fail eventually.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

In our neck of the woods, you just don't question anything the pastor does......or else......even though I think it..... God didn't say to let welfare take care of widows, it said for the church to. THat is another thing that gets me. Welfare was designed to aid people for a temporary moment, not for people to live off of...........and i'm not having a lack of compassion here either....THere are those that need welfare and they are hard workers. It's hard trying to make ends meet in todays world. Especially for single parents...I fully understand that. BUt I also have seen people refuse a second job because that would take away from their foodstamps or whatever....that I do not understand. ANyway, the bible is right....the tithes are supposed to help the widows...........

Those doing without because of a failure to obey the provision laid out by God brings a scripture to mind.

Will a man rob God?.... yet you have robbed me in tithes & offerings.

A certain amount of the tithe can be taken with no sin having been counted against them... after that... one has begun to rob God.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

If people in this day are able to put up for retirement then the result of that on the church should be that... for that individual... then the need is less or non existant. That would leave more to minister to others.

We should never reach the place where the worlds way of living causes Gods provision to not exist.

Gods provision should always be left in place because mans provision will always fail eventually.

I understand what you are saying.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by Drama Queen

Let me start off my saying that I am 100% for paying tithes... (don't really care what the Pastor does with them after I've done my part.) I believe that the tithes should be the first thing paid! You pay tithes before your bills. <-JMHO

OK.... I was always taught that you tithe on your INCREASE. So you tithe on the money you bring home. But what about when you sale your home? Do you tithe on that money?

If you are rolling all the money you are getting from the sale of your home into a new home, are you to tithe on that money before you use it as a down payment? I was raised that you would not tithe on it because you are putting that money into another home. If you were putting that money into your pocket.... then you should tithe on it.


So...... I'm asking you spiritual folks what you would do. I'd really like to know.

no, I dont think you consider this an "increase" unless you got money from the sale of your home that you put into your checking account and spent as you would your paycheck.

If there is no actual money in your hands after the sale or liquidation of any assets, you havent "increased"

Like if you inherited a big bunch of money, You dont have to pay tithes on the lump sum, just what you liquidate into actual cash, as you liquidate it. If you cash it all in immediatly, yes pay tithes...if you draw from it for years, you pay on what you actually draw

I got that from my pastor, two of them said the same thing.


Make sense?

The money from the sale of your house isnt going to actually be money in your pocket, its tranferring to another house.


Now if you dont use it all for the downpayment, you decide to keep some to get those Manohlo Blahnik boots, you should tithe on what you kept

[Drama Queen]

Originally Posted by Theresa

no, I dont think you consider this an "increase" unless you got money from the sale of your home that you put into your checking account and spent as you would your paycheck.

If there is no actual money in your hands after the sale or liquidation of any assets, you havent "increased"

Like if you inherited a big bunch of money, You dont have to pay tithes on the lump sum, just what you liquidate into actual cash, as you liquidate it. If you cash it all in immediatly, yes pay tithes...if you draw from it for years, you pay on what you actually draw

I got that from my pastor, two of them said the same thing.


Make sense?

The money from the sale of your house isnt going to actually be money in your pocket, its tranferring to another house.


Now if you dont use it all for the downpayment, you decide to keep some to get those Manohlo Blahnik boots, you should tithe on what you kept

OOOooooo Yea Bo....... Size 7 please! (forward to NLYP)

[Michlow]

I feel like a stranger in a strange land.

My sabatical away from the forums have left me confused as to proper etiquette, or something.

To me the answer is pretty simple. Ask God if he wants you to give a percentage of the proceeds of your house. If he does, then give it. If not, then put it all into the new house.

Am I missing something?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Michi

I feel like a stranger in a strange land.

My sabatical away from the forums have left me confused as to proper etiquette, or something.

To me the answer is pretty simple. Ask God if he wants you to give a percentage of the proceeds of your house. If he does, then give it. If not, then put it all into the new house.

Am I missing something?

Apparently there was also some question whether they should buy a pair of boots as well.

Since they are talking about buying boots I can only assume that someone in this discussion owns cattle and is having to walk through mud and other various messes.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Apparently there was also some question whether they should buy a pair of boots as well.

Since they are talking about buying boots I can only assume that someone in this discussion owns cattle and is having to walk through mud and other various messes.