Standards protect inward holiness!!!!!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

This happened to me in a McDonalds! I went up to a lady and asked her if she was UPC! She gave me the stare of death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It turned out that she was holiness Baptist!!! I apologized!

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

We have a rather large group in our area which looks exactly like this, but are anything but. Over the last half century, their "Church" has turned into nothing but an outwards based organization. I mean that literally.

In Ill there people called Apostolic Christians of 'Ac's'. They look like your typical UPCer. Though they are very different. They have home services and sing usually with no music maybe a guitar. They do not believe in or practice tongues. Or at least didn't last time I met some of them. They are definately a backwards group. They are nice, but different. They do use technology but unless it is their business it is not as serious of a thing that it would be to you or I.

[Carpenter]

I didn't read but one other post (Pianoman's) in this thread, but I think it is nonsense to think that standards protect inward holiness.

I am not holy because of my ability to follow or demonstrate compliance with a law...sorry, nor am I holy because of anything I do.

I love Jesus with all my heart and mind and his blood and grace have been applied to my life. THIS is what protects inward holiness.

[OneAccord]

Well said, Carp, and well done.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I didn't read but one other post (Pianoman's) in this thread, but I think it is nonsense to think that standards protect inward holiness.

I am not holy because of my ability to follow or demonstrate compliance with a law...sorry, nor am I holy because of anything I do.

I love Jesus with all my heart and mind and his blood and grace have been applied to my life. THIS is what protects inward holiness.

DING DING DING We have a winner!

[Neck]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

I am so frustrated with people today!

Why is it that when anyone of our people (Ladies especially) hold up "traditional" standards of dress they are automatically deemed as unfashionable?

My good wife wears skirts well below her knees and she is extremely fashionable. She does not look frumpy, weird, old lady or anything!

She looks like a lady who is worshipping her God in the beauty of holiness. Just because she doesn't have a tug-of-war match with her skirt every service does not make her archaic!

And this is not about my wife. I am using her as an example.

And just who determines fashion anyway? Is it a Spirit filled, modesty loving person? I don't think so! So why do we attempt to measure up to them?

I remember a scripture that says We are in the world but not of the world!

Why is there an assault on the holiness loving people that uphold outward standards to protect inward holiness? And why are these assualts coming from those that once were apart of us?

If you want to be charismatic then be charismatic but please stop trying to shove your so called "liberty" down my throat!!!!

There I think my rant is over!

The problem with your comments are you are writing them and not her. That is the problem with the idea, "traditional standards". Finally a label fitting what they are "traditional" not "biblical".

I should publish the off the record interviews that I have done over the years.

With many of the ministers and so called "Holiness Godly woman" you hold up as spiritual before the Lord.

Many say why are the standards only on the woman?

Now many of our men are wearing shorts and growing berds?

What is left for the man?

The only standard left on the man in the church today if he is doing anything in the church is for him to make sure "he keeps his woman in line".

My comments are not "Shove" as you have stated.

They are a shovel digging some abused ladies out and away from a one-sided slope that was to lead to God.

Why not live your existance in the way you do without having to ask why?

We are not liberated.

We are not carrying anything more around than the cross the Lord gave each of us to bare.....

[Jodiah91]

Originally Posted by Ms. LPW

I feel sorry for some of you folks.. you must have had preachers in your past who hammered on outward dress everytime they got into the pulpit... you seem to hate it so much.

My pastor spends about 1% of his sermon time on outward dress... (or on oil changes etc as you put it)

I agree. . .I have attended my church going on 11 years and I can count on one hand the times my pastor has directly spoken about the outward dress.

[mfblume]

I remember a scripture that says We are in the world but not of the world!

What has that got to do with clothing? lol

Why can't people just be modest for the sake of being Christianly modest? Nowhere does the bible say our CLOTHES tell the world we are Christians. Tha is not in the bible. Modesty is ONLY for being modest. Not to tell the world we're saved, nor to tell people Jesus is inside. LOVE for one another ALONE tells the world we are His!

Standards do not protect inward holiness either. I've seen people with standards that had the worst lack of inward holiness one could imagine. In fact, there is no such thing as outward holiness. Holines IS ONLY INWARD. It is spiritual. And the only holiness we have is JESUS IN US!

But modesty is a command from God, BUT NOT TO BE HOLY.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Jodiah91

I agree. . .I have attended my church going on 11 years and I can count on one hand the times my pastor has directly spoken about the outward dress.

Well of course not, that is the beauty of maintaining compliance, it is the church people out in the Walmarts, Kmarts, grocery stores, and the mall who do the enforcing and subtle preaching for the pastor.

God forbid if folks from your church catch you wearing something you are comfortable in but that someone disapproves of.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by mfblume

What has that got to do with clothing? lol

Why can't people just be modest for the sake of being Christianly modest? Nowhere does the bible say our CLOTHES tell the world we are Christians. Tha is not in the bible. Modesty is ONLY for being modest. Not to tell the world we're saved, nor to tell people Jesus is inside. LOVE for one another ALONE tells the world we are His!

And doesn't that put us in a mess?!! We wonder why the world is in such bad shape, and yet the church has trouble showing each other Christian kindness and charity. We have gotten so far off the message.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

God forbid if folks from your church catch you wearing something you are comfortable in but that someone disapproves of.

Look out for the hate from such folks!

All this emphasis on the outward is nothing but the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. The knowledge of good and evil is the accounting of all that people do right or wrong. Instead, LIFE is the fruit we require.

"This is right and that is evil. That is good and this is evil."

All knowledge of good and evil.

A false prophet is one who promotes the WRONG FRUIT, and the two kinds of fruit we can give is either LIFE or the Knowledge of Good and Evil. What do preachers and saints stress more? LIFE, or what is good and evil?

Love and charity does not keep account of wrongs. Legalism does that.