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[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I've never taken a bird and her eggs or babies together for food.

I don't wear linsey-woolsey.

Neither passages say anything about hellfire.

Do you pride yourself on not obeying certain commands of God?

Maybe you need to read those verses more carefully.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Maybe you need to read those verses more carefully.

6 If a bird's nest chance to be before thee in the way in any tree, or on the ground, whether they be young ones, or eggs, and the dam sitting upon the young, or upon the eggs, thou shalt not take the dam with the young:
7 But thou shalt in any wise let the dam go, and take the young to thee; that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days.

Nope, never done that.

11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

I'm good on that one, too.

Perhaps you need reading glasses?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So the bottom line is, y'all don't actually know WHAT the verse means, nor how it could be obeyed - or disobeyed - today, so it's just yet another text of that old dusty Bible that doesn't really have any relevance to today.

Funny how the gang that feels the need to "be relevant to people today" have, step by step over the years, destroyed any relevance they might have had.

These are just my thoughts on the verse, I'm not saying that I'm an authority or anything. But it appears that the Canaanites and pagan cults around Israel would wear the opposite gender's attire during their revelries and ritual debaucheries. These festivities were filled with drinking, perversion, and sexual indulgences that included acts that were homosexual/lesbian in nature.

It appears that God gave a general command that would condemn any and all gender-bending, cross-dressing, behaviors and/or practices, rather they be part of idol worship or not.

In today's world this behavior/practice isn't associated necessarily with what is understood as classical idolatry. However, in nearly every city in the Western world there is a subculture filled with drinking, dancing, carousing, perversion, pornography, homosexuality, and gender bending "drag shows". I believe that this command speaks to these modern practices of perversion as well as the ancient paganism of the Canaanites.

Deuteronomy 22:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.

I don't believe that the text has anything to do with forbidding women's pants, or women's t-shirts, etc. It mentions "abomination". It's about a gender bending abominable practice centered around cross-dressing. It is an "abomination".

[Aquila]

Verses 6 & 7 of Deuteronomy 22 were mentioned. I'd like to share my understanding of the text:

Deuteronomy 22:6-7 English Standard Version (ESV)
6 “If you come across a bird's nest in any tree or on the ground, with young ones or eggs and the mother sitting on the young or on the eggs, you shall not take the mother with the young. 7 You shall let the mother go, but the young you may take for yourself, that it may go well with you, and that you may live long.

This is about the preservation and conservation of the species and the natural order. The mother bird (who is clearly able to reproduce) is to be allowed to go free, the young in the nest are perfectly fine to take and eat or to take and raise to eat. It is cruel, inhumane, and excessive to take both the mother and her young to feed upon. This principle, I believe, should be observed in all our doings regarding the natural order. We should always consider the preservation and conservation of animal life seeing that it is God's creation. To extinguish a species throws the local habitat out of balance. Elimination of a given species of bird could allow for the over abundance of a given insect that will destroy crops, forests, and other resources we so desperately need. What befalls the earth will befall man. Therefore preservation of the natural order and its balance as intended by the Creator will ultimately benefit man. If we take the preservation and conservation of nature seriously, we will prolong our days as a race in this world.

Oh, the matchless wisdom of nature's God!

That's my take on it.

[Scott Pitta]

I think the overall idea is why follow only one verse out of chapter 22 and not all of them ?

Since the law of Moses is fulfilled, why follow any of it ?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I think the overall idea is why follow only one verse out of chapter 22 and not all of them ?

Since the law of Moses is fulfilled, why follow any of it ?

Because as Paul wrote to Timothy...

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

While we are not bound by the Law of Moses, the eternal principles and wisdom contained therein are very profitable for our wellbeing and spiritual growth.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Because as Paul wrote to Timothy...

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

While we are not bound by the Law of Moses, the eternal principles and wisdom contained therein are very profitable for our wellbeing and spiritual growth.

You jokers wouldn't know the law of Moses if it was dropped on your head with Bernie Sander's foot attached.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You jokers wouldn't know the law of Moses if it was dropped on your head with Bernie Sander's foot attached.

So, do you disagree that the OT (including the Law) is profitable for doctrine, or reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness?

Because my point was that while we're not bound by it as the Hebrews were, it is still of great value to guide us in our understanding.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So, do you disagree that the OT (including the Law) is profitable for doctrine, or reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness?

Because my point was that while we're not bound by it as the Hebrews were, it is still of great value to guide us in our understanding.

Aquila, you mouth words, you memorize the lines, but you don't believe ft meat is greasy.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I think the overall idea is why follow only one verse out of chapter 22 and not all of them ?

Since the law of Moses is fulfilled, why follow any of it ?

Scott, I'm so sorry. When did you start to lose your mind?

Scott, which of these verses were of no real importance to salvation?

Which are abrogated by the New Testament?


Leviticus 18:22

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is ABOMINATION.

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 22:5

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are
ABOMINATION unto the LORD thy God.

Proverbs 6:16-19

These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an ABOMINATION unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 11:20

They that are of a froward heart are ABOMINATION to the LORD: but such as are upright in their way are his delight.

Proverbs 12:22

Lying lips are ABOMINATION to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.

Proverbs 15:26

The thoughts of the wicked are an ABOMINATION to the LORD: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.


Proverbs 15:8

The sacrifice of the wicked is an ABOMINATION to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.

Proverbs 16:5

Every one that is proud in heart is an ABOMINATION to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Proverbs 17:15

He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are ABOMINATION to the LORD.

Proverbs 20:10

Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike ABOMINATION to the LORD.

Proverbs 28:9

He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be ABOMINATION.