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Old 12-14-2007, 09:55 PM
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Y'all don't seriously believe that when these epistles were read in the local assembly that there were no sinners there?

Isn't saying that sinners should not read the epistles the same as saying that sinners should ignore any and all teaching in a church unless the service was designated "for sinners only"? Have you ever heard a pastor or evangelist addressing a congregation and make reference in the sermon or teaching that mention how folks get saved?
Sam, lets be honest here. Has anyone ever, ever said that sinners should not read the epistles?

Why would you even distort my argument by implying that? I know of no Pentecostal ever who has ever said or implied any such thing.

There is a big distinction between saying:
the epistles were not addressed to sinners, but to saints...
versus saying
...sinners are not supposed to read the epistles.

Surely you understand that.
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:55 PM
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I must say I appreciate the study that those who have drawn differing conclusions here have done,even if I this disagree with some here I appreciate those that know what they believe and why they believe it.
It shows the diversity of views among Oneness Apostolic Pentecostals.
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:55 PM
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I must say I appreciate the study that those who have drawn differing conclusions here have done,even if I this disagree with some here I appreciate those that know what they believe and why they believe it.
I'm with you Scott...I feel very inadequate in these deep discussions.

DA and TR are pretty smart fella's

Shoot...one of them is even right.
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SO TR..are you saying that the "filling of the spirit" is differnent from the recieving of the spirit that John said wasn't happening yet.

You see how i and others say there is a differnce in being "filled with the spirit" and having received Christs spirit thru faith at repentance.

Two diferent things Having Christ dwelling in your life and being filled with the spirit are distinctly different experiences.
Yet the same Spirit of the Infinite Almighty God that moved over the waters in Genesis and has moved in various ways .... throughout scripture and is moving even today.
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:57 PM
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Sam, lets be honest here. Has anyone ever said that sinners should not read the epistles?
It has been strongly implied that sinners, when reading the Epistles, are reading someone else's mail.
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:57 PM
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Could it be both sides might have a portion of truth ? Extremities in doctrinal matters are not good ?
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:58 PM
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Sam, lets be honest here. Has anyone ever said that sinners should not read the epistles?
Not in so many words.
Bro. Norris taught the "Gospels, Acts, and Epistles" division very strongly and basically said that the Epistles were only for saints, not for sinners. He strongly influenced many who became ministers, pastors, teachers, and leaders in the UPC.
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:00 PM
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Herein lie our differences -- we believe that in baptism we are reciting the gospel, while you believe that in baptism we are reenacting the gospel. If one understands that salvation consists of following certain qualifications to achieve acceptance with God, then New Testament texts, such as Acts 2:38, will be interpreted as steps of obedience in order to gain salvation. On the other hand, if one sees that the coming of Christ was a radical shift in God’s approach to salvation (John 1:29)...and if one sees that man’s attempt to achieve salvation through obedience to the Law was a failure (Romans 3) until God came and lived the Law perfectly in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:19)....and if one sees that only Christ is qualified before God (Matthew 3:17) through obedience to the Law (Romans 10:3-11).... then, salvation will be understood as a work performed by Christ (Hebrews 9:2-28; 10:10) and offered to man out of the grace of God (Ephesians 2:5-9), and it must be received by faith alone (Romans 4, 5). The focus will be on the greatness of the gift offered and not on the status, conditions or responses of the receiver of the gift. One will then interpret Acts 2:38 more as responses of confession than as “how to get saved.” It is a recital of what Jesus has accomplished, rather than a reenacting of some portion of Jesus’ life that we accomplish through our obedience.
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:01 PM
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Could it be both sides might have a portion of truth ? Extremities in doctrinal matters are not good ?
What Scotty ?? No WAY..we are Apostolics and we have all the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

We have the truth market cornered !!!
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:02 PM
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I do believe The NT. church was started in the book of ACTS, however the epistles do tell one many of the beautiful aspects of salvation and Christian living.
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