Is divorce a sin if no one was unfaithful?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

i am thankful daily for gods mercy and grace, i need it, dt

From everlasting to everlasting .... may God have mercy and grace on us all.

Dr. Vaughn ... there are depths of grace we will never understand and your approach to scripture tells me that perhaps we need to re-examine it.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

From everlasting to everlasting .... may God have mercy and grace on us all.

Dr. Vaughn ... there are depths of grace we will never understand and your approach to scripture tells me that perhaps we need to re-examine it.

and is there no longer any depths of "obeying Gods Word" not taking away from it nor adding to it?

Is there no longer a passion to say "What does the WORD say" not my personal experiences.. or the experiences of my friends and family.... as bad as I might feel for them.... where is my PASSION for scriptural purity?


No single person can commit Adultery only fornication.... if while the unmarried where single and commited fornication..... unconfessed to the person they are about to marry.,,,, then once the married partner finds out about the FORNICATION they can Divorce their spouse......

Do those "Depths of Grace" reach farther than those "Words of Truth"?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

How can God restore a marriage if the marriage partners believe you can remarry and they run into a new relationship?

I believe if a husband and wife cannot live together, they should seperate and remain single and thus GOD has the ability to restore their relationship.... but if they jump into a new relationship.... it's impossible for even God to restore them.. this is why I do not believe in Remarriage.... if you are sitting there lonely and your partner is making a change in their life you will be much more inclined to go home and restore your home......

I think the main thing we need to look at here is who God has joined together? If people are not saved, then they are not joined together by God, then God didn't join them. Note verse 9 also, you commit adultery when you remarry only if you divorce for any other reason then adultery.


This is to the believers.
Math.19:2: And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.
3: The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? 4: And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5: And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7: They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8: He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9: And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, (adultery) and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery



If we are joined to a harlot we are one. That makes both a harlot and if a person is married to a harlot that makes Jesus a harlot because we are also members of his body. If a person is married to a harlot you must divorce him or her unless the person repents and stays repented.

1 Cor.6:15: Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of a harlot? God forbid.
16: What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17: But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18: Flee fornication. (Adultery) Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that commiteth fornication (adultery) sinneth against his own body.
19: What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20: For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


1 Cor.7:10: And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11: But and if she depart, ( for anything other then adultery) let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.


(Now here in verse 12 is talking about if a believer is married to an unbeliever)

1 Cor.7:12: But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13: And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14: For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15: But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage (under bondage means, you are not bound by the law of marriage because the person is not a believer and God didn't join them together) in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
16: For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

We do need to be careful...all of us, not to add to or take away from the Holy Bible.

We are not to add to the book of revelations.Who do you think the letters of the bible was written by ? Man as the Holy Ghost moved them.You think we are any different then the apostles ? No.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Joelel

We are not to add to the book of revelations.Who do you think the letters of the bible was written by ? Man as the Holy Ghost moved them.You think we are any different then the apostles ? No.

This must be where you got the notion that it's OK to rail against the Church.

[Blsdbeyondmsure]

You know, when I was going through my divorce (it was never actually finalized), people with too much time on their hands would try to tell me that I could never get remarried again. It never made sense to me that they thought my husband could run around on me, have affairs, move in with his girlfriend & if he got back in church he could live a happily married life, but I was banned for life from marriage at the age of 25 when I had been beyond committed to my marriage.

I'm sorry that's not the kind of God I serve. I serve a God that is gracious, loving, kind and wants better things for his children then our earthly father.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Rico

This must be where you got the notion that it's OK to rail against the Church.

Yelp,I know some people just can't stand being told their wrong.

We are to judge (SAY WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG)when a person sins.

1 Cor.5:


1: It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2: And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3: For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4: In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5: To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6: Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7: Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9: I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11: But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12: For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13: But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

6:1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4: If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5: I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Blsdbeyondmsure

You know, when I was going through my divorce (it was never actually finalized), people with too much time on their hands would try to tell me that I could never get remarried again. It never made sense to me that they thought my husband could run around on me, have affairs, move in with his girlfriend & if he got back in church he could live a happily married life, but I was banned for life from marriage at the age of 25 when I had been beyond committed to my marriage.

I'm sorry that's not the kind of God I serve. I serve a God that is gracious, loving, kind and wants better things for his children then our earthly father.

There are certainly tendencies in the church, especially the more conservative ones to rally against "the victim" and demand that "the victim" forgive the perp "just like THEY did" (even though person A has no right to forgive person B for something that person B committed against person C on behalf of person C). Often the ones who come out with the fewest short term scars is the perp himself.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Yelp,I know some people just can't stand being told their wrong.

You being chief among them.


Seriously, Joelel, we haven't been posting to each other for very long, but I can tell you it's plain to see you have a huge chip on your shoulder against God's Church. You are fighting against the very thing we're supposed to be lifting up and doing our part to strengthen. All of us have things we don't necessarily care for that are part of God's Church, but none of us have the right to run down the Church the way I've seen you do in the last few days. Believe me when I tell you I've been there and back. The Church isn't your enemy. Neither is it your's to tear to shreds. Find something positive to focus on about the Church and let God rekindle your love for His bride. Anyway, I've pretty much said all I have to say to you for now. Until I see something more positive coming from you, I will simply pass over your posts. I don't have the stomach for your kind of bitterness anymore.