Ready for a Gun ban? - Page 13

Digging4Truth · #**121** 03-18-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I will buy a gun when they final come out with Klingon disrupters....

Until then get yourself a fresnel lens.

The only problem would be that you would need the attacker to only attack in the day time and on partly cloudy to sunny days.

Other than that... you're good to go.

Praxeas · #**122** 03-18-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

Praxeas, what a ridiculous question! Of course there are Christians who get killed, it happens all the time! We call them MARTYRS!!!!

Don't you believe that God is fully in control! I see a definate lack of faith in God here, sorry!

Did the people that died mean they lacked faith to believe God will protect them?

coadie · #**123** 03-19-2009, 07:33 AM

Perfect love casts out fear. Aren't gun bans promoted on a basis of fear?

Digging4Truth · #**124** 03-19-2009, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by coadie

Perfect love casts out fear. Aren't gun bans promoted on a basis of fear?

I think fear is one of the elements used to promote such agenda's.

But there is also the element that people, these days, are increasingly convinced that it is their job to put controls in place on "other people".

People want to force their fears and beliefs on other people.

It is like religion. People make man made rules for others because they feel they need to keep those "other people" in check since they surely don't have the wherewithal to control themselves.

It's the old "We know better" syndrome.

1Corinth2v4 · #**125** 03-19-2009, 09:42 AM

This is what I know.....Here are two examples:

Sometime ago while walking, some punks passed by in a car. One of them was about to hang out of the window, he was about to point something at me. All of a sudden he yelled in pain and started shaking the hand he was about to point at me.

Last year I was driving down the boulevard when three gangsters pulled up next to me and tried looking all crazy at me. I gave them that look of "put a sock in it, you lame!" Then they pulled up beside me, pulled out a gun, pointed at me and pulled the trigger. I heard the hammer hit the firing pin. Whether those idiots didn't load the chamber, or God disable that bullet in that chamber, God protected me.

So even though I know God will protect me, I still own firearms, etc. If one day I'm carrying my gun or someone tries breaking into the home, God better intervene quicker than I can pull that gun out and start shooting!

You can quote me on this! I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six!

1Corinth2v4 · #**126** 03-19-2009, 09:49 AM

Oh........I also forgot........Last year while at camp meeting I took my 40 Glock. When I laid down I had it by my side. I was awoken at 4am by females yelling upstairs, at the hotel. I guess they had returned from a party. Anyways, I looked to my side and my gun was gone. I jumped up and threw the covers from off my bed and the gun was gone. I thought someone came into the room and took it while I was asleep. All of a sudden I looked in my bag across the room on a table and my gun was at the bottom of the bag. God then spoke to me and said " I will protect you." Fear came upon me and I unloaded the gun and put it away. Since then I don't carry my gun as much as I use to.

MrsMcD · #**127** 03-19-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by coadie

Perfect love casts out fear. Aren't gun bans promoted on a basis of fear?

Digging4Truth · #**128** 03-19-2009, 10:08 AM

I don't carry guns with me unless I am going hunting for deer, squirrel etc.

My guns were not bought for protection. They were bought for hunting. The time might come that I would have to use them for protection but that is not a major thought in my mind.

But... for those who say it is a lack of faith to use a gun for protection.

Lets say a man found himself, his wife & his children under attack in some way by a home intruder and they had your family standing and waiting for whatever it is they have planned for your family.

Is using a gun a lack of faith?
Is hitting them with a fireplace poker a lack of faith?
Is throwing a heavy object at them a lack of faith?
Is hand to hand combat lack of faith?
Is resisting when they attempt to tie your wife up lack of faith?

I would like these questions answered and the reason why is this.

A gun is a weapon.
A fireplace poker can be a weapon.
A large heavy object can be a weapon.
your fists can be weapons.

I think the reality of the "lack of faith" stance is that, if you remain true to the premise, then nothing short of standing there and taking it (or watching your family members take it) is acceptable because in every case listed above a weapon is wielded for the protection of your family.

RandyWayne · #**129** 03-19-2009, 10:11 AM

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I think the reality of the "lack of faith" stance is that, if you remain true to the premise, then nothing short of standing there and taking it (or watching your family members take it) is acceptable because in every case listed above a weapon is wielded for the protection of your family.

I can respect those who have faith that God will protect THEM and thus adopt a totally pacifistic stand. The problem comes when they attempt to have "faith" for others, such as family members, and use that as a reason to not protect or defend someone else. That isn't faith, it is sniveling cowardliness.

Digging4Truth · #**130** 03-19-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I can respect those who have faith that God will protect THEM and thus adopt a totally pacifistic stand. The problem comes when they attempt to have "faith" for others, such as family members, and use that as a reason to not protect or defend someone else. That isn't faith, it is sniveling cowardliness.

Yes sir... what one decides for their own faith is the result of working out their own salvation and their own faith.

I can even accept that all of our personal stances of faith has specific consequences and, if a man decides to take a pacifist stand, then there might come certain consequences to that and I have no right to assume my beliefs upon that brother.

My problem is when they attempt to transpose their decisions of faith upon others who have come to another decision of faith.

If a man takes a pacifist position and his family is killed. That is simply the result of his faith. If a brother decides to keep a gun and someone breaks in and takes the gun from him and kills his family with his own gun... that too... is simply the result of the path of faith that he had chosen.

We cannot question the decisions of faith of another when they differ from our own.

This is my stance. I simply wish they would extend the same honor to those who do not take their non gun stance.